Classic twist and shout. When Chico accuses me of twisting and shouting, there is no doubt that he's projecting his own behavior. The above paragraph profoundly illustrates Chico's penchant for going after the messenger in a deliberate misdirection from the message. Exposed in his game-playing, he has no other recourse but to fall back to his natural behavior ... which is virtually indistinguishable from that of a sociopath ... but which still does not meet the threshold behavior to qualify as a sociopath. A true sociopath not only has to meet thresholds on the same behaviors, but exhibits additional aberrant behavior. Chico is walking very close to the thresholds - as fifth columnists invariably do - but close is no cigar.



Two things to note here. First, the immediate issue is your mendacity in seeking to displace my argument of thresholds (which is the solid irrefutable argument that I made on the subject of general sociopathy) ... and replace it with a post of mine which did not address the argument of thresholds (but which you tried to spin as my alleged solid argument so that you could grandstand against it). Fighting phantoms and punching empty air appears to be your forte. In any event, your post here is a nice bait and switch from the immediate issue to your purported rebuttals to my purported bogus arguments.

Secondly, even in those purported rebuttals of yours, all you do is make gross conjectures about behaviors that are shared by both sociopaths and nonsociopaths; make subjective decrees as to who is a sociopath (akin to Madame Defarge and her knitted sweaters); and attack the messenger to the detriment of the message as per your tendency ever since you started this burp of a forum. So even if the good folks are interested in the message, e.g. the topic of general sociopathy, they are left scratching their heads. They come for meat and all you ever give them is bone and skin.

Your behavior is in broad daylight, Chico ... and abundantly archived.



I spoke the truth in both cases ... not to dismiss sociopathy or psychology ... but to put some perspective on the subjective nature of soft science pursuits such as the study of sociopathy (or soul disease) and the study of the soul itself (e.g. psychology) ... not to mention the amount of charlatanry that masquerades as science. Of course, being intellectually honest is the same thing as being manipulative in the world accordion-ed by Chico. In Chico's realm, intellectually honesty is cause for concern and immediately identified as a trademark of the sociopath. Nothing new. The game of the meek, the mediocre, and the mendacious finds triple purpose in the mob dynamic of regression to the mean, and is as old as humanity. In more recent antiquity, Socrates had a rightly go at intellectual honesty, and he was forced to suckle on the breast of hemlock. So be it.



The invocation of trademarks (a commercial construct) hints at what Chico is really about, e.g. salesmanship. Salesmanship as a substitute for intellectual rigor ... is as odious as hard conclusions drawn from a soft sciences.



Tangential pursuits are a poor substitute for rational argument. That said, I will indulge your argument by fallacy of appeal to authority ... after all ... the system's carrot-munchers only recognize those things that are certified by the system, including knowledge. But since you love tangents ...

I took six years of undergraduate courses and earned enough credits to earn a BSC in chemistry and a BA in mathematics. Had I wanted. But I never bothered to pick up the certificates because I had already started questioning the merits of the educational system at that time. Paper validation was not all that important to me, for I never intended to become a chemist or a mathematician ... was just drifting that way because of my natural abilities in mathematics.. To further inform matters, I was deep into a personal transition from a rigid scientific mindset to a poetic mindset by the end of the six years ... trapped between my parents wish that I be a medical doctor and my own abiding desire to be a modern day Von Trapp ... with six musical kids, a governess and a chalet at altitude. Alas, life sometimes takes you to funny places far removed from the fun places we have in mind. I didn't even get the door prize of six whimsical hybrid kids a la The Brady Bunch.


Back to the initial tangent, I found little value in the pursuit of science; but did find quite a bit in the pursuit of the arts. Then, in the few years after that, while transitioning into a full time writer (and student of the world) ... I went back to University and took up computer courses to keep abreast with the developing technology. I have broad knowledge in many areas, except perhaps the study of religion and the study of establishment arts and humanities. I compensate by generating my own knowledgebase via the vast internet library and its search functions.

I consider myself a low-level polymath, largely because I have no great ambition to conquer the world ... only to conquer my immediate interests. Here, I would be remiss if I didn't take the opportunity to observe that the megalomaniac that you see in me, Chico, is the megalomaniac you are projecting from your own space and time coordinates.

What more would you like to know about me, Chico Honneker?

I built an octagonal shed in my backyard that looks like a three-phase rocket. It can probably hold a baby elephant on its roof. The blueprints are original and derived themselves from the simple geometry of the octagon and the proper angling of torques. I suppose I could sell the blueprints ... but what's the point? I built it because I needed the exercise (I sit much of the day at my computer, writing).


I taught myself to play the electronic keyboard. I can play 60% of the Beatles songbook. A personal favorite of mine is Nowhere Man.

Or is that boasting, you know, another sociopathic trademark that I'm sure nonsociopaths would never be associated with.


Pax

ps: Here's that octagonal shed.

Sociopaths steal the very queries that expose them and then reflect it back to the accuser. So in a sense the sociopath is only exposed for a moment before it adapts and finds new camouflage to hide its vulnerability. Fine examples here, as our two local sociopaths mimic the very behaviors and language.

I see this type of behavior in corporate dynamics, but really got to witness it at my local city council while trying to stop fluoridation. The council took our argument and used it to mold a more solid defensive system as to why fluoridation is completely harmless. This defensive template now is buried deeper in the bureaucracy. In essence our opposition caused agencies to coalesce and have better line of communication from Federal authorities. It was really incredible to see, everyone jocking for position to ensure they are not the last one without a chair. So effectively, the water treatment plant, the local govt, state human services, DDS, CDC, EPA, FDA were forced to work together and draw up a game plan. Now when another independent group tries to question fluoridation it will be deflected with much more precision. Fascinating.

And like our two lions here, they will never acknowledge sincere inquiry, act like it does not exist and try to drive a fraudulent narrative with half truths. Its amazing stuff.

What would be more amazing would be for you to actually back up what you say with something tangible!

Wait a minute. Chico wanted to make this about me.

And here you are hijacking Chico's pursuit to make it about you.

And I'm supposed to be the narcissist?

Pax

ps: Btw, I like the subtle touch of shifting things to the fluoridation of water, a proven winner with the masses. I mean, who can argue against an avenger of the people taking the system and its bureaucracy to task, even if he has to hijack a thread about general sociopathy, its vague criteria, and the purported vectors that carry it?

ps2: Here, I say vague criteria because Mags has found an additional criterion for general sociopathy, e.g. bureaucracy. Beware all bureaucrats, you have now been additionally classified as sociopaths.

I thought you were going to put this in your disclaimer. Your so god damn blind you can't even see that I'm backing up everything I'm saying and laying down so much evidence of your sociopathy it is stinking up this board to high heaven.

You seem a little confused on the meaning of "evidence" mags, opinion doesn't count as evidence???

This is typical of sociopathic game-playing, Zook, and you continue to expose yourself. "Twist and shout" originated from Chico observing Zook's repetitive strategy in this forum of twisting the facts around to support his agenda and then prancing about, declaring victory, as if his newly constructed arguments were logically airtight. It happened so often that I invented the terminology for it, with a nod to the classic Beatles song of the same title. "Twist and shout" is Zook's resumé.

Zook's current tactic is something all sociopaths do when their malfeasance is being exposed, as I pointed out in this post. The Clintons use this same technique, described as "They use the well known trick of accusing your opponents of your own malfeasance." Naturally, when I point out that this is what Zook is doing, he can only fall back on his tired old strategy of reflecting it right back onto me. This is the equivalent of the strategy kids use when they defend themselves against name-calling by repeating, "I know you are, but what am I?"


Awww, I can't seem to qualify as a sociopath. How disappointing.

All the behaviors I have repeatedly observed and quantified coming from Zook are now my behaviors, according to Zook. It's an effective defense rich in deception and manipulation, which is why sociopaths use it. But you will note that it is copied, a reflection of the original notions that were gleaned from true inquiry. Sociopaths are not interested in true inquiry unless it enhances the deception and manipulation they use to control others.


Your so-called irrefutable argument has been refuted in a variety of ways on numerous occasions, which you conveniently ignore and deny (Andy uses the same strategy). I just refuted your argument again today here.


Once again, this is untrue. I typically report my observations of your behaviors immediately after they happen, with links or quotes to the very behavior I am commenting on. There is no conjecture, there is only evidence.


Like a skilled sociopath, you do often speak the truth, but with the intention of using it to deceive and manipulate. Andy does this too. So do the Clintons. It's all part of the game-playing sociopaths are exceptionally practiced at.


And here's the example of speaking truths with the intention of using the truth to deceive and manipulate. It's true that trademarks are a commercial construct, and it's true that commercialism implies sales and salesmanship. It's true that salesmanship is no substitute for intellectual rigor, and it's true that wrong conclusions can be drawn in any science. But does that make it true that Chico is all about salesmanship, or is that the deception Zook is trying to sell?


And where did this futile educational experience occur?

You really are a piece of work Chicodoodoo, you ask for education details just to dismiss them? But saying that it would still take a lot to trump your recent ad hominem against suicide victim Aaron Swartz which you displayed zero remorse for!!!

I really like the latest dandy link with Steven M and Bitcoin. It shows great dynamics of truth seeking. How money can influence and how chaos is a motivator. And none the less in truth seeking forums. What better chance do we get, in seeing how the subtlety of sociopathy works and as to how revolutions are managed. Our species would have to slow things down so much to even have time to think.

But who has time?

This is odd, why post your response to my video here? Unfortunately it seems your OCD is surfacing again, are you receiving any therapy for this mags?