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andywight

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Identifying problem members now and in the future.

Please feel free to explain or to discuss other options.

Isn't it ironic that that the first member here to be subjected to poll of this nature is also a Senior Moderator from Nexus2012!

Post Edit:

Due to public demand the options have been changed from:

Yes
No
Don't give a shit
Other

To:

Yes
No

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Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:49 am

UncleZook

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Re: Identifying problem members now and in the future.

Chico began the aspersions against Nexus here (I believe), e.g. subtle and skilfull ad hominems against my friends at Nexus by referring to them as con artists and minions (which then obliged me to return with the defense of my friends):
viewtopic.php?p=1237#p1237

I started the explanation of my perspective here:
viewtopic.php?p=1245#p1245

The debate was largely civil ... but then Mags started losing the grip of rigorous debate and started ratcheting things up by dropping in his own brand of ad hominems with this post (I was now in it for keeps but not yet going for the jugular):
viewtopic.php?p=1437#p1437

Then Mags invited me to go for the jugular by implying that I was some sort of crook. He withdrew (or stated that he would withdraw) from the thread in his very next post, so that saved me the trouble of loading him into a tree bucket; and him, the hassle of a long journey to Mars (where War is the prized planetary rose; and Peace, the ubiquitous weed):
viewtopic.php?p=1530#p1530

Things between Andy and me never got right after I posted that I had voted for Andy's temporary ban at Nexus (for creating disruption). Perhaps it started going downhill after this post of mine:
viewtopic.php?p=1531#p1531

... to which Andy responded with this post in which he referred to mine as bullshit spin tactics:
viewtopic.php?p=1554#p1554

... and became irreversible when he called me a deluded liar. I tolerate fools, but I tend to roast those who attack my integrity:
viewtopic.php?p=1735#p1735

I supposed I could've done better on my end by not returning Andy's energy in kind ... but his disruptive behavior at Nexus was still fresh on my mind ... and I wasn't about to make things easy for Andy.

Well ... there you have it, good folks ... a quick synopsis, IMO, of the turning points on the Banning for Dollars thread. A thread that keeps on giving for trivial pursuits.

ps: The banana man is so eager to get rid of me - for my ongoing exposition of his gatekeeping exercises - that he's already started a thread with a general title invoking "problem members" ... and a specific vote on the ongoing membership of yours truly.

ps2: He already pre-prepared for today's plebiscite by dragging in old posts from Canzirka and Lee ... to establish in his own twisted way, his perception of my decline.

ps3: How much more evidence do we need of Andy Wight's willful disruptive energy? In any event, I ask for no favors or mercy. Load me into the tree bucket if you truly believe that I'm a problem member. It would be your moral duty to put some sanctions against me if you really did believe that I had tramped on the truths that be.

ps4: I will recuse myself, of course, from this vote. Not from conflict of interest so much ... as for full contempt for the contrived nature of the vote. I will only add this further: beware the podunk politics of the gung-ho gatekeeper

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Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:07 am

andywight

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Re: Identifying problem members now and in the future.

Dated: Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:36 am

andywight wrote:


	UncleZook wrote: ps: Andy's PM to me does not reflect on the contents so much, sport, as it does on the methodology of troublemaking. He lacks the balls to say it publicly because he knows it is wrong to say it at all. And if he truly wishes that I take him up on his skype quasi-invitation ... well, let me keep it diplomatic ... the old adage be careful what you wish for, comes to mind. He knows it. You know it. And I know it. So let's all be happy in our common knowledge.

Again UncleZook you seem a little confused, please re-read this post:


	andywight wrote: UncleZook, The reason I sent you my message via pm was because I believe the content of it is unsuitable for this forum. I still don't believe it's content to be suitable for this forum, but If you feel the need to post it here go ahead, knock your self out! One thing I will share is that I challenged him to contact me via Skype, although I won't be holding my breath waiting for a positive response to this request.

I glad you brought up the "methodology of troublemaking" as I believe your methodology is well past due for some scrutiny!
You claim:


	UncleZook wrote: I came here with aspirations of making this forum a place of high plains discourse. Perhaps I'm expecting too much in too short a time.

So lets examine some examples of your "straight-shootin', accommodating, grey-bearded jester Zook" discourse:


	UncleZook wrote: Andy is a pot-stirrer. A drama queen who looks for negative energy and deposits it wherever he finds it.


	UncleZook wrote: I suppose I should back off now ... I mean, if he is mentally ill or something, I should not provoke the soft little yellow fellow and frond fruit any further.


	UncleZook wrote: Once more, the beauty of United People is the accommodation of A to Z ... from Aarses ... to Andrean narcissists ... to Zugzwang in the Bahamas ... to the Zook being baited by bellicose banana brains. ps: Quit while you're behind, Andy ... and I won't feel obliged to take you out to the battle of wits and return you to your friends as a bag of subatomic particles. :jester:


	UncleZook wrote: I am returning you as subatomics. But you have to be several levels higher to appreciate it. At least at the molecular level ... and preferably organic.


	UncleZook wrote: Everything is easy ... to a banana. All one needs to do is hang with a bunch, get labeled with a brand, recline in the fruit bowl next to a lady Chiquita, and get peeled.


	UncleZook wrote: Look, Andy, I'm sure you'll give Chico and the good folks here at United People good reason to roll their eyes and/or recoil sooner than later. You can't help being what you are. With that ... I've just put you on the clock, Andy. Tick tock, tick tock ...


	UncleZook wrote: ps: FWIW, good folks, Gypsy Woman is a female ejaculator with her own blog ... a former associate of both King William of the Pendragon Ryans and Chuckie Duckie of Atticus1 squeezery. She is small on facts and large on ad hominems ... just the way our Bahamian Banana Boy likes it. It is a natural admiration.


	UncleZook wrote: ps2: And this will be my last post on Andy's character-chasing cul de sac. His circulars maybe interesting to him, but I get better munch with cardboard. Besides, I owe Chico and United People my best effort; not reminisces from the schoolyard of my youth.


	UncleZook wrote: "... his potential mischief against acerbic members like Andywight


	UncleZook wrote: I don't suffer fools all that easily ... and I relish in exposing them to scrutiny. Like I said, Andy, you're on the clock. Make the best of it while you can.


	UncleZook wrote: So if you sincerely want to help the energy to a better place, Andy, then stop observing - day after day alone on the hill with a foolish grin keeping perfectly still ... [b]until things subside down, at which time you jump out with a thousand voices talking perfectly loud. But nobody ever hears you, Andy, or the sound you appear to make, and you never seem to notice ... but there on the hill, you see the sun going down, and the eyes in your head see the world spinning 'round.


	UncleZook wrote: No apology. Gypsy Woman is a mean-spirited shriek, a screech owl, and every bit the drama queen that you are ... and I've seen evidence of this first-hand. A brilliant mind wasted by her own petty pursuits. Her boobs will be remembered long after her brains are forgotten.


	UncleZook wrote: If you have the ability to kindly suggest anything, Andy, then the world can only be a better place.


	UncleZook wrote: it's not sexism on my part but stupidity and lack of wit on those who perceive sexism where none exists.


	UncleZook wrote: I believe I made my point. No need to rub it in. We'll let the good folks guess about the depths that you're capable of sinking to. As I predicted ... the clock has struck twelve for Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Wight. You see, Chico, those that have a record of stirring trouble on forums develop a liking for it. Even if they started out with a noble cause and a dubious forum (e.g. Avalon) ... they evolve into ignoble behaviors and set their sights on credible forums (e.g. Nexus and United People). Yes, Chico ... Andy has officially brought his game to United People.


	UncleZook wrote: I thank you Andy for striking the gong as the clock struck midnight. You saved me the energy of constructing my case against your disruptive propensity.


	UncleZook wrote: I come back to the forum just now only to be affronted with the Earl's latest pearl of wisdom. The Earl has made the decision for me. Here is his PM to me. Take it for whatever it's worth. But get this, a planar, high-level, truthseeking community must quickly deal with those that would seek to lower its standards ... or its standards will indeed be lowered.


	UncleZook wrote: You two toxic sludge surfers and blasters of bromide bellows can say whatever you want here. United People invites all kinds of speech from all sorts of places ... the pulpits; the private chambers; the public square; ... ; the prairie holes popping up foul airs and puckered cousins of weasels.


	UncleZook wrote: Indeed, it's the prerogative of pauper pens to sprint across the page with wild accusation. To honor the truth with their backs turned, their fronts burning with the fire of affront and finding cause just because ... and because there are no consequences where there is no mirror to spit the vanity or the vanguard of conscience-(or to split the difference).


	UncleZook wrote: A misogynist with an axe to grind? From a serious thinker, it is food for reflection. From a sludge surfer, it is drool dripping on the dribbling tongue.


	UncleZook wrote: Here are some facts for the edification of the ester jester yellow fellow monkey munch ... and his supercilious sanctimonious sidekick D.Simon of the hopping foot (his other one playing a cork in his mouth).


	UncleZook wrote: Bald King William of the hoaxing hatted Ryans ... broke a confidence with GW and dumped their personal email exchanges in the MOD chamber at Avalon. In one of those exchanges, GW referred to her son as being learning disabled. This reference morphed either into goofy son or retarded son (can't remember the exact term). On reading such, I blurted something to the effect - in the privacy of the MOD chamber - of "What a woman .. what a Mom!" (implying the insensitivity of any mother with a challenged child that would discuss their own son to others in that casual dismissive way). I meant nothing more by it and in fact even defended her research and exposure of the fraud of Inelia Benz (both privately in the Avalon MOD chamber and publicly in the Timeline thread at Nexus).


	UncleZook wrote: Enter the transmutation of my simple observational comment ... into an arrow that found the Achilles Heel of the greatest mother that ever lived (at least insofar as perceived by GW). She then went after me with all kinds of innuendo and made up facts at her own blog. Visit the blog - as I suspect both you clowns already have - and you'll know the rest of the story of the tepid fact turned into a turbulent fiction about me.


	UncleZook wrote: The tipsy gypsy woman is so confused by her own blind rage against all things Avalon (starting with the emperor there and extending to all those who'd ever served beneath him) ... and all things Nexus (for inadvertently revealing her name and personal info in the Timeline thread - I say inadvertently because that info came directly from Bill Ryan broken confidence email; for that small mistake, she stalked Richard and Celine's small business in Montreal) ... and some things Atticus (not really sure if she's quacking on behalf of Chuckie Duckie's squeezery of rubber ducks, or in contempt of it - I didn't follow her all that much before being directed to her attacks on my character at her blog). Cuckoo for coco puffs would be too trite a description for GW. I actually think she is working in the duty of Cass Sunstein and alternative media disruption ... but that's just a pet theory. I vaguely remember reading where GW intimates she wants to be picked up and contracted by a creative writing talent agency in a big market (Hollywood??). So one has to wonder about her ulterior motives. Whatver she is ... she as a big brain. (I hope I don't get accused of being sexist for that nasty acknowledgement of GW's potential for intellectual thought).


	UncleZook wrote: I mean, c'mon, good folks ... it doesn't take exposure to rocket fumes and million dollar research grants ... to determine the richness of GW's imagination and the thinness of her research. She shoots from the hips - and lovely hips they are!! (that remark is targeted at the politically correct poltroons of servitude and social engineering who take phony umbrage) - often with her gun still in the holder.


	UncleZook wrote: ps: I wasn't the only one she targeted for her displeasure ... nor I'm sure the last one. And please, don't take mine as a humble opinion. There is nothing humble about it ... nor opinion about it.


	UncleZook wrote: but it became the gas in her gut which had to be released eventually so she could breathe again.

A full 2/3's of your contributions to this forum so far have been posted in this topic,is this really (in your own words UncleZook) "how you plan to raise the standards of UP with your presence"?

To be continued...

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Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:21 am

Chicodoodoo

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Re: Identifying problem members now and in the future.

Andy, can we change the poll to a simple "Yes" or No"? The other options don't help, in my opinion.

Also, could we make the poll duration shorter, say 3 days? With only 10 or 15 active members, we should be able to breeze through this poll in one day, actually.

BTW, if there are other sensitive problems that may need identifying, please feel free (anyone) to bring them up or even post other polls. The poll about me being a problem is already posted in the forum called "Forum health index".

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Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:23 am

andywight

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Re: Identifying problem members now and in the future.


	Chicodoodoo wrote: Andy, can we change the poll to a simple "Yes" or No"? The other options don't help, in my opinion. BTW, if there are other sensitive problems that may need identifying, please feel free (anyone) to bring them up or even post other polls. The poll about me being a problem is already posted in the forum called "Forum health index".

Seems it might be to late for that Chico as someone has already voted "Don't give a shit" I wonder who that was?

Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:30 am

andywight

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Re: Identifying problem members now and in the future.


	Chicodoodoo wrote: Also, could we make the poll duration shorter, say 3 days? With only 10 or 15 active members, we should be able to breeze through this poll in one day, actually.

It was the end date Chico that inspired my choice of poll duration!

Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:43 am

Chicodoodoo

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Re: Identifying problem members now and in the future.

Here's my take on this poll. The basic underlying issue is treating each other with a minimum level of respect. The problem is that everyone has a different opinion on what a minimum level of respect looks like. Even if we invoke a variation of the Golden Rule ("Do not treat others with more disrespect than you would want others to treat you with."), we still will have unending trouble covering all bases and settling on a common dividing line.

This difficulty is why we give up and hand off the responsibility to an "authority", like a moderator in the case of forums, or a legislator in the case of nations. As we all know, doing so does not solve the problem, especially in the long run! It simply removes the burden from our shoulders. It often works for a while, but inevitably is corrupted and breaks down.

The only solution I can see is to carry the burden on our shoulders. If we feel a member is being disrespectful, we should speak up and say so. Send the message! Andy is sending a message that, in his opinion, Zook has been disrespectful to him. He is asking, via this poll, for us to confirm or contest his observation.

If Andy's observation is confirmed, the first recourse would be to ask Zook to please refrain from being disrespectful to Andy. Knowing a little about Zook, that would probably be all that would be required to solve the issue.

If Andy's observation is contested, the recourse would be to ask Andy to be less sensitive to Zook's prose. Knowing a little about Andy, that would probably be all that is required to solve the issue.

What constitutes a confirmed observation? I would venture a 75% majority or more voting "Yes". What constitutes a contested observation? I would venture a 75% majority or more voting "No". And if neither level of consensus is reached? Then perhaps we ask Zoo to please be more respectful towards Andy, and ask Andy to be less sensitive to Zook's prose. Knowing a little about the two of them, that will probably ...... umm .... er ...... well, maybe we should just try it and see!
:lol:

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Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:06 am

Chicodoodoo

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Re: Identifying problem members now and in the future.


	andywight wrote: It was the end date Chico that inspired my choice of poll duration!

That one did not go over my head. I actually saw that one coming before you delivered it ....

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Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:08 am

andywight

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Re: Identifying problem members now and in the future.


	Chicodoodoo wrote: Andy is sending a message that, in his opinion, Zook has been disrespectful to him. He is asking, via this poll, for us to confirm or contest his observation.

I think the issue is a little more complicated than that Chico.

Has he not insulted other members here including yourself! and you also seem to be overlooking the filth that he spewed out here against GW who I'm sure visits this forum and therefore should be counted as a participant.

Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:22 am

Lee

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Re: Identifying problem members now and in the future.

Yes, the basic underlying issue for me is treating each other with a minimum level of respect.

On this basis I have voted Yes.
Lee

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