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This is a sociopathic tactic.


No. It's an organizational tactic, not a tactic specific to sociopaths.

General sociopaths and nonsociopaths both manipulate to an ends, usually a higher place in the organization than they currently occupy. And usually well below the capstone where the tactics of FSD are designed. Capstone space is almost exclusively reserved for specific tribe-qualified sociopaths and nonempaths (in the 4-set).

And there are plenty of manipulation ladders to climb inside the general pyramid

... whose capstone is the bankster's pyramid which is tribe-specific and cryptotribe-specific (e.g. from high-level Zionists (Rothschilds) and cryptoZionists (Rockefellers) to lower-level Zionists (George Soros) and cryptoZionists (Warren Buffet))

... whose ziggurath presents an opportunity for nontribal sociopaths to climb and snug up to the capstone (e.g. Saddam, Blair, Harper, Howard, Mao, Castro, Obama, Putin, any modern-day leader of a nation, virtually all mega- industrialists, etc.) ... as well as the less proximal tribal sociopaths (e.g. self-styled Jews as per Benjamin Freedman's coinage, that are greatly over-represented in leadership in virtually all areas of life and culture, almost always using elevators lifted by pressing push-buttons of guile)

... whose base presents an opportunity for the remaining manipulators to climb (e.g. garden variety sociopaths and manipulating nonsociopaths) ... so they can snug up close to the ziggurath.

The general nonsociopaths have a line of conduct they will not cross. This differs from the general sociopaths who appear to be unbounded by conscience, but are still bounded by a personal lack of integration into the tribe. The tribe-specific sociopaths and nonsociopaths (in the 2-set) have vastly more access to the capstone ... and are only differentiated by the latter's line of conscience that the latter will not cross. That said, nonsociopaths manipulate as much as sociopaths, up to a line of conscience that the former will not cross.

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There is one true narrative here, an inside job. You then Create two stories from the event to introduce diatribe, to manifest confusion.
But the real benefit is time passing from the event. This disarms the emotional actualization immediately and pushes the event farther into the memory hole.
You Continue to feed both topics as needed.


Yup, the same pyramidal organization tactic that bought JFK's assassins time, as well as buying time for many many other false-flag flyers. One doesn't need to be a sociopath to use the tactic, they merely need to belong to the perpetrating nested pyramid within the larger societal pyramid.

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This tactic in my observation has been very resourceful, as to my amazement of why can't conspiracy theorist unite.


Not at all. There is no real entity called a conspiracy theorist. That coinage is as phony as the coinage "anti-Semite" ... shibboleths used to stifle debate by ridiculing investigators. First they ignore you. Then they make fun of you. Then they attack you. Then you win. That sorta thing.

The meaningful term here is conspiracy investigators. Conspiracy investigators are allowed to make mistakes as they pursue the truth, for humans cannot be expected to negotiate science perfectly and the science is still being negotiated.

By contrast, conspiracy theorists are not allowed the same luxury of making mistakes, because they've been burdened with the final state of science, e.g. the theory. Theories can be confirmed or refuted, but they cannot be improved upon when additional facts demand improvement.

The manipulators know this. They know that by trapping dynamic investigators inside the static trap of theory, they can heap a whole assortment of ridicule and pejoratives upon the backs of investigators. And that they do because all too many of us are intellectually lazy. Indeed, many of us have been brainwashed to follow the perpetrating nested pyramid's narrative and its coinages, conspiracy theorist being one of them.

Then, of course, there are those of us who possess independent minds. The independent mind is virtually immune to brainwashing, for the independent mind has discernment of the highest quality.

Here's a mug for the truly independent minds and spirits. *raises Stella*


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Unless you got a video of Dick Cheney grinning and leaning on the plunger, please please enough with various accounts of what others have said about 9/11 after 14 years now.
What say you?
Who done it?
In your "heart of hearts" :lol: who do you think done it?

Me thinks it was Bush Nazi crime family NWO with other wordly connections :giggle: but that's just me.


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That said, nonsociopaths manipulate as much as sociopaths, up to a line of conscience that the former will not cross.

Not exactly. That's a gross oversimplification. Psychology affects the whole person across the entire behavioral spectrum, from significant to insignificant. It's too bad your binary thinking and oversimplification trap you in this kind of faulty reasoning.

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The manipulators know this. They know that by trapping dynamic investigators inside the static trap of theory, they can heap a whole assortment of ridicule and pejoratives upon the backs of investigators. And that they do because all too many of us are intellectually lazy.

This is exactly what you and Andy do to Chico and Mags. It's no surprise that you have a thorough understanding of this strategy, since you employ it often. Andy does it crassly, while you do it subtly, but you both do it whenever your power and control is being opposed.

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Then, of course, there are those of us who possess independent minds. The independent mind is virtually immune to brainwashing, for the independent mind has discernment of the highest quality.

There's your inflated ego again. How ugly.

No mind is immune to brainwashing. You are a fool to believe such nonsense, or a gatekeeper to peddle it to the masses.

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As opposed to what, your assumptions of unknown technology???

As opposed to investigative research, questioning everything, dismissing nothing, cross-corroborating information, extrapolation, hypothesizing, weighing of evidence, and even appropriate assumption.

I agree that researching hidden and classified information is a tough nut to crack, since active efforts are made to keep people in the dark. But it can be done, using information from alternative sources, like whistleblowers. It is more uncertain than investigating phenomena that no one is interested in hiding, and therefore more challenging, which is why so few people even attempt it. Most people are already too lazy to investigate even unhidden things. They just want the "facts" handed to them free of charge.

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As opposed to what, your assumptions of unknown technology???

As opposed to investigative research, questioning everything, dismissing nothing, cross-corroborating information, extrapolation, hypothesizing, weighing of evidence, and even appropriate assumption.

Wow, I guess this forum will get the exclusive then, eat your heart out Alex!

So when are you going to publish this previously unknown information?

I agree that researching hidden and classified information is a tough nut to crack, since active efforts are made to keep people in the dark. But it can be done, using information from alternative sources, like whistleblowers. It is more uncertain than investigating phenomena that no one is interested in hiding, and therefore more challenging, which is why so few people even attempt it. Most people are already too lazy to investigate even unhidden things. They just want the "facts" handed to them free of charge.

Would this then be known unknowns?

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As opposed to what, your assumptions of unknown technology???



Well, Chico, Andy poses an intriguing question. I hope you have an answer that doesn't require leprechauns, shillelaghs, and shamrocks.

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As opposed to investigative research, questioning everything, dismissing nothing, cross-corroborating information, extrapolation, hypothesizing, weighing of evidence, and even appropriate assumption.

Wow, I guess this forum will get the exclusive then, eat your heart out Alex!

So when are you going to publish this previously unknown information?

I agree that researching hidden and classified information is a tough nut to crack, since active efforts are made to keep people in the dark. But it can be done, using information from alternative sources, like whistleblowers. It is more uncertain than investigating phenomena that no one is interested in hiding, and therefore more challenging, which is why so few people even attempt it. Most people are already too lazy to investigate even unhidden things. They just want the "facts" handed to them free of charge.

Would this then be known unknowns?


Methinx Chico and the guy below speak the same language:


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Methinx Chico and the guy below speak the same language

I see you ignore the real meat of the matter so that you can join forces with Andy and do what you describe below:

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The manipulators know this. They know that by trapping dynamic investigators inside the static trap of theory, they can heap a whole assortment of ridicule and pejoratives upon the backs of investigators.

And you two think you are being so clever, when really you are just exposing your sociopathic nature. This is also a good example of how sociopaths organize.

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There is a difference between being jaded burnt out and gun-toting patriot and being a psychopath who meddles.....I'll let you guys sort that part out, k?
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ULY you would not know what a duck looked like if it was quacking in your face. Your very projection of division comes from your own heart. Your for shit.

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Nanothermite explosives have the punch to effect the observable visual sequence of floor-by-floor collapse.

I don't call you Mr. BlackHole for nothing! Legitimate thoughts can't escape that super dense black hole you call a brain. Only massless thoughts of no substance can escape to grace our forum. What a crying shame.

There was no floor-by-floor collapse. There was a floor-by-floor disintegration. That requires massive amounts of energy to pulverize the 4" of concrete on every floor into fine dust, along with most everything else found on that floor!


Quibbling with semantics again, I see.

In any event, Stephen Jones explains that there is indeed a massive amount of energy in nanothermite explosives, and he points out the energy spikes in the test samples that were heated. From 4:00 onwards in the following video:


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Remember the fireman saying the biggest piece of anything recognizable he saw in the ruble was a small portion of a cell phone keypad? No furniture, file cabinets, printers, dividers, walls, or even floors. This was no mere "collapse". To get massively complete destruction in a near-freefall amount of time requires timed disintegration of all support resistance, including any pancaking of complete floor structures. And there were clearly no complete floor structures.

Esoteric nukes can provide precisely calculated and shaped energies, adjustable light levels, negligible radiation, and other designer effects that you can't even imagine. But they still produce rare earth element fission byproducts.


Nanothermite explosives are consistent with what was observed, including pulverized-dust energy.

Nukes fail as a candidate for the following reason (among others) ... the twin towers were constructed such that glass windows are evident from top to bottom. Any nuclear detonation at any level would have to be accompanied by a bright flash (similar to the luminosity of the Sun); and these bright flashes would have been visible courtesy of the glass windows as the towers disintegrated floor-by-floor ... ostensibly by the many mini-nukes being set off to pulverize the cement slabs at each level (as per the miniNukes theory. But there was only one visible flash in the entire sequence of one of the towers and that was near the impact zone.

Which means nanothermite and/or military high explosive derivatives remain as teh prime suspect in teh method of nonstandard controlled demolition.

An epic fail on your part, Chico ... and more evidence of your sandbox knowledge of nuclear physics.

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And it's not a question of "either or". I suspect the core columns were cut by thermate, but that's not enough to disintegrate the building or even cause its collapse. There were two weight-bearing skeletons, the 47 central steel box columns and the external steel lattice "envelope". These were redundant support structures, which is why I say these towers were enormously strong, and I suspect either skeleton could hold up the building all by itself.


I don't need your conjectures. I need your evidence. So far, you have failed to impress with your miniNukes theory; just as Khalezov had failed with his suitcase Nukes theory.

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Mini-nukes may pack even more punch ... but you would have seen the bright flashes floor-by-floor if they had been used. And that wasn't observed.

Bad assumption, based on ignorance and 1950s "big bomb" technology.


Read above.

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and if nanothermite explosives have sufficient punch to yield the other feature of the WTC controlled demolition, e.g. the expanding dust clouds ... then there would be no need for exotic mini-nukes to also be included in the demolition plan because fission products include radiation fallout. The Zionist devils that arranged the demolition of the WTC complex had ideas to rebuild ... so why would they contaminate their building spot?

You are so behind the times. "Clean" nuclear fission reactions (negligible fallout) are 1960s technology. I thought you knew all about nuclear physics...


I know something about nuclear physics. You don't even know that much. This is evidenced by our respective arguments.

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Mini-nukes as they relate to WTC and the 9/11/2001 attacks is pure propaganda.

The rare earth element fission byproducts suggest otherwise, as do the cancer rates of first-responders. Alpha radiation can be blocked by a piece of paper or your skin, but if enough gets inside your body (say by breathing it in), you're going to get cancer.


Asbestos in the dust adequately explains the cancer rates. No need to conjecture about nuclear radiation fallout, unless one is intending to deceive. K.I.S.Cupid.

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Let's see ... four years after Stephen Jones' thermate/nanothermite evidence and arguments had been peer-reviewed and published...

The controlled media may have allowed that to be published to draw attention away from the secrecy of esoteric mini-nukes, which would be a dead giveaway of the real perpetrators of 9/11.


Stop it. You're sounding like a broken record. MiniNukes do not match the observable evidence.

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For all we know, the purported nuclear chemistry profile of the rubble (which includes nuclear fission byproducts) may have been entirely fabricated.

The same can be said for the thermate evidence. Everything we think we know comes from the highly controlled media.


Stop it. You're sounding like a prevaricator. The miniNukes theory came on scene only to discredit what real investigators had found (e.g. iron spherules in the dust; also, aluminothermic thermal signatures loitering in the rubble weeks after the attacks, here, a nuclear attack would be hardpressed to explain this residual heat that was captured in infrared images and in the visible photographic evidence of construction crews removing debris).

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Chico, can you source the nuclear chemistry profile that appears to come from nowhere ...

Even if you source it, you can't trust the legitimacy of the information you are relying on. The game is that convoluted, which is why certainty is a handicap.


Yes, it is convoluted for those with piss poor discernment ... and for those charged with the bankster agenda of confuse things. But genuine truthseekers plod on with discernment in spite of the hardships. As far as miniNukes is concerned, there is nothing further to discern.

Also, the Inside Job nature has already been preponderated way beyond any reasonable threshold to convict ... that is, if the political will and the legal system actually want to take ownership ... but they don't because they have been co-opted by the Talmudist-capstoned bankster empire.

So I find it a bit curious why you would fixate on miniNukes (and take issue with those who point out its flaws).

FTR, the what of bringing down the twin towers is a secondary pursuit when the who have been isolated by their fingerprints elsewhere in the preponderance. When the designers of the attacks have been more or less cornered inside the Zionist octopus that operates inside and outside of America, genuine truthseekers spend their energies trying to ferret them out ... not waste it on idiotic conjectures that have no teeth and no real relevance other than as historical detail after the who have been processed by an unprejudiced system of justice. And that system does not exist yet and will not exist until the people wake up and take back their sundry systems.


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Conventional nukes have a mushroom profile (above ground), a blast crater profile (below ground), and a whitewater expanding disc profile (below sea). Mini-nukes have their own profile with a brightly observable flash.

You're hopeless. You can't even recognize your own brain-washing.


Stop it. You're projecting again.

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In addition, the weapons profile of WTC7 is one of standard controlled demolition (again, using some kind of thermate cutting charges to slice the beams). Why would they use nuclear technology at one attack site and standard demolition technology at another site ... to bring down tall buildings?

I agree WTC7 was conventional controlled demolition. WTC7 was a much weaker and vulnerable building than the Twin Towers, which were probably among the strongest skyscrapers ever built. They would have been a nightmare to bring down with conventional explosives.

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K.I.S.S. Don't dull Occam's Razor...

Sorry, those rules don't apply when dealing with sociopaths and their conspiracies. They don't do simple, because they need fool-proof plausible deniability and massive confusion.


Stop it. You're running around the bases on a foul ball.

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Why would anyone believe three stooges with limited physics background ... over a magna cum laude physics professor ... especially when the former try to discredit the latter and not merely posit thier own theory?

Trying to figure out who is more believable has nothing to do with what the truth is.


Except when the truth itself lends credibility to those that argue in favor of it.

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You're approaching doorknob intelligence territory, Chico. Mine is to expose dimwits to devil wits that cross the grain of observable reality. So be it. You have your task and I have mine. And I continue to mock your nuclear physics knowledge.

:lol: :lol:
Don't quit your day job, Zook. Oh wait, mocking me is your day job!


You're not that important in my bubble of existence, Chico.

It's radius is so large and its volume (so large)-cubed, that you and Mags only exist when I hear the lapdogs barking and the warrior chihuahuas yipping. You both recede into nothingness when my ears get acclimated.
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