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Another reason why it's difficult to have a quality internet forum ... is that cointel operatives and wannabees are everywhere trying to disrupt rational discourse. Either by spamming the forum with links to known disinformation and usually with minimal commentary ... or by waging covert attacks on the truth, e.g. by lacing it with suggestive cyanide knowing that even infinitesimal amounts can neutralize most thinking processes.

Julian Assange ... a Hamilton-Byrne cult indoctrinee with a myriad of Rothschild connections ... a racetrack rabbit for the greyhounds of righteous resistance ... a king's archer sent down into the masses with a missive to fire arrows back at the king ... a smooth-talking salesman of the CIA-Mossad-MI6 stunt better known as Wikileaks ... an agent coordinated with the parallel stunt that is Anonymous ... a mini-celebrity of some of the most egregious mainstream rags in existence (e.g. TIME magazine, The Guardian) ... Nobel Peace Prize nominee ...

One has to have their head up a bankster's ass (pick a Rothschild, any Rothschild) ... to not connect the dots properly on this particularly egregious fifth column insurrection.

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UncleZook wrote:
Another reason why it's difficult to have a quality internet forum ... is that cointel operatives and wannabees are everywhere trying to disrupt rational discourse. Either by spamming the forum with links to known disinformation and usually with minimal commentary ... or by waging covert attacks on the truth, e.g. by lacing it with suggestive cyanide knowing that even infinitesimal amounts can neutralize most thinking processes.

Julian Assange ... a Hamilton-Byrne cult indoctrinee with a myriad of Rothschild connections ... a racetrack rabbit for the greyhounds of righteous resistance ... a king's archer sent down into the masses with a missive to fire arrows back at the king ... a smooth-talking salesman of the CIA-Mossad-MI6 stunt better known as Wikileaks ... an agent coordinated with the parallel stunt that is Anonymous ... a mini-celebrity of some of the most egregious mainstream rags in existence (e.g. TIME magazine, The Guardian) ... Nobel Peace Prize nominee ...

One has to have their head up a bankster's ass (pick a Rothschild, any Rothschild) ... to not connect the dots properly on this particularly egregious fifth column insurrection.

Pax Bahamiana


:lol: You never fail to disappoint UncleSpook, did you even listen to their discussion?

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Fascinating discussion! This video is like a quality mini-forum in action.

Building a better world, the real reason we are all here, requires discussion. "People cannot sit idly by. They need to take action." And proper action is predicated on discussion and consensus. And cooperation. And unity. It is how we build a United People.

Thank you, Andy!

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Listened to the first 30 minutes of the video ... you know, to confirm my suspicions of controlled discussion.

Big cats mark territory by pissing urine.


The big cats were certainly on display in the referenced video. Important issues were indeed discussed ... but in a narrow controlled gatekeeping manner consistent with cats pissing to mark territory. Discussion in the marked territory, of course, is confined to tea and truffles and testicle tickles. Very little in the way of substantive discussion. The detour into bitcoin and anonymity in commerce ... was interesting. But apart from that, what a waste of resources.

Assange is an evidence-preponderated shill. Only minions, idiots, and people in willful denial ... still lend sound holes to the vocal prances of that polished puppet on a string.

The minionship includes Russia Today <----------- a false flag operation on the alternative media (follow the money trail).

Pax Veritas

ps: You talk a big game about cleaning up the system(s) and its many sociopaths, Chico ... but when an easy call is there right in front of you ... and Assange, Banana Boy are certainly easy calls to make ... you kowtow and heap praise on the nuts and bolts that keep the corrupted system(s) in place.

ps2: In the end, truthseeking is a lone warrior journey ... and I am begrudgingly beginning to realize that. For one can never depend on others to carry the same admiration and determination for the truth as the person in the mirror. Most others will walk with you in the pursuit of truths a certain distance ... but, then, their weakness for the soft truths will pull them off the paths leading to the hard truths.

ps3: I expect too much from my fellow truthseekers because the alternative is to expect too little. More truths gained by the greater expectation but less disappointment with the lower expectation.

ps4: So be it.

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UncleZook wrote:
Listened to the first 30 minutes of the video ... you know, to confirm my suspicions of controlled discussion.

Caution: Semi-closed mind.

Note that I suffer from this as well. We all do, because we have all been brainwashed to a certain extent due to the human world we live in that is directed by deceitful and manipulative ruling sociopaths.

The last 30 minutes of the video are even more interesting.

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Assange is an evidence-preponderated shill. Only minions, idiots, and people in willful denial ... still lend sound holes to the vocal prances of that polished puppet on a string.

Such certainty! Are you even willing to entertain the possibility that you have been deceived and manipulated to some extent with regards to Assange? I am, and I do not know what to think about Assange. I do not know the truth, but I'm pretty convinced that it is not simple, as in black and white. I'm also pretty convinced that most of what we read and hear is propaganda, and that includes most of what I "know" about Assange.

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ps: You talk a big game about cleaning up the system(s) and its many sociopaths, Chico ... but when an easy call is there right in front of you ... and Assange, Banana Boy are certainly easy calls to make ... you kowtow and heap praise on the nuts and bolts that keep the corrupted system(s) in place.

That's because I've finally learned that there are no easy calls. Every time I thought I had an easy call (like God exists, America is a great country, democracy is the best system of government, capitalism trumps communism and socialism, etc.), I was wrong. I am so tired of being wrong. Don't you get tired of being wrong?

None are more wrong than those that falsely believe that they are right.

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ps2: In the end, truthseeking is a lone warrior journey ... and I am begrudgingly beginning to realize that. For one can never depend on others to carry the same admiration and determination for the truth as the person in the mirror. Most others will walk with you in the pursuit of truths a certain distance ... but, then, their weakness for the soft truths will pull them off the paths leading to the hard truths.

This is true when you believe that only you have the truth! Truth by definition is universal. It should be the same for everyone. The reason it is not is because we all have very limited senses and operate with very limited accurate information processed by very limited brains. What that means is that we can never know the complete truth! We can seek it, we can approach it like a graph approaches an asymptote, but we can never achieve it. If you think you have it, you have failed.

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ps3: I expect too much from my fellow truthseekers because the alternative is to expect too little.

Do you think that your expectations have anything to do with the truth?





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Fascinating discussion! This video is like a quality mini-forum in action.

Building a better world, the real reason we are all here, requires discussion. "People cannot sit idly by. They need to take action." And proper action is predicated on discussion and consensus. And cooperation. And unity. It is how we build a United People.

Thank you, Andy!


Your welcome Chico, I too am unsure about Mr Assange's integrity and find this type of discussion helpful.


UncleSpook, I was wrong about you! I bet Chico that you'd be using your famous "GateKeeping" accusations in your first post in response to this topic, not you're second :lol:

It's obverse you're still sore from the last reaming you received here from "yours truly"! Also your continued lack of civil forum etiquette still betrays your true intellect and lack of understanding of anything non-virtual.

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I could not draw out a point after the first 30 minutes either. I assume amongst many thing, they are talking about Presumer or content ownership.

In the future, the world market will draw content from the Artist first, thus taking out our contemporary corporate model. And you think Ego's are big now?
Also relativism will rule as being in the moment, with real time, will be the judge of things, so to speak. Or more like a rudder. This again is based on a one world communication system using the internet forums as an example.

Its frightening to think if a completely homogenized, transparent form of social system existed, without knowing sociopaths are puling the strings.
A social engineers dream....

And why would this not happen, when you have Olympians leading the way....

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UncleZook wrote:
Listened to the first 30 minutes of the video ... you know, to confirm my suspicions of controlled discussion.

Caution: Semi-closed mind.

Note that I suffer from this as well. We all do, because we have all been brainwashed to a certain extent due to the human world we live in that is directed by deceitful and manipulative ruling sociopaths.


Just because you suffer from a self-admitted semi-closed mind, Chico, is not an indication that all of us are equally susceptible. Assange had been exposed beyond any shred of doubt - even without consideration of his stunning 9/11/2001 remarks - so those who still carry doubt about him are merely exposing their degree of accommodation to the corruptions around them. Question begs ... how culpable are these accommodators? Not exactly accomplices ... but not exactly truthseekers either, e.g. those that refuse to make the call when required.

The ongoing accommodation of Assange speaks volumes about your radius of inquiry, Chico. If it floats your boat to extend benefit of doubt when none is warranted, so be it. But then, please stop railing against sociopaths and psychopaths ... for you will have lost the rational authority to do so. Assange is a sociopath. Anyone who wittingly performs in the duty of the bankster empire - as Assange clearly does via Wikileaks - is most certainly a sociopath ... the only question is in degree.

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The last 30 minutes of the video are even more interesting.


Just listened to the last 30 minutes against my better judgment. That's a half-hour that I will never get back. And this, good folks, is how the time resource is being mismanaged by operatives in the shadows. I'm not calling you an operative, Chico ... you're a well-meaning guy, sure enough (however modest your discerning abilities may be). But Banana Boy <----- this clown is here just to disrupt the forum. Even you cannot deny that the discussions have been going rather well the past month or so, even with just four or five regularly participating individuals ... coincidentally, Banana Boy was not one of them.

Leave it to the resident frond fruit to encourage discord once again by bringing disinformation back into the mix. There's a reason why he's been kicked off virtually all the forums he has ever enrolled at ... his fingerprints are dirty.

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Assange is an evidence-preponderated shill. Only minions, idiots, and people in willful denial ... still lend sound holes to the vocal prances of that polished puppet on a string.

Such certainty! Are you even willing to entertain the possibility that you have been deceived and manipulated to some extent with regards to Assange? I am, and I do not know what to think about Assange. I do not know the truth, but I'm pretty convinced that it is not simple, as in black and white. I'm also pretty convinced that most of what we read and hear is propaganda, and that includes most of what I "know" about Assange.


IMO, that speaks to your modest ability with regards to reading the evidence and discerning between the possible and the impossible ... the probable and the improbable. Sorry to be so blunt Chico. But time is short and I have no patience for mind curvatures such as interpreting the improbable as highly possible ... and obfuscations such as reinterpreting the highly probable with a greatly lowered possibility.

A reasonable scrutiny of Wikileaks returns Rothschild banksters to the inquiry Qui bono? And that's just one small part of the preponderance.

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ps: You talk a big game about cleaning up the system(s) and its many sociopaths, Chico ... but when an easy call is there right in front of you ... and Assange, Banana Boy are certainly easy calls to make ... you kowtow and heap praise on the nuts and bolts that keep the corrupted system(s) in place.

That's because I've finally learned that there are no easy calls. Every time I thought I had an easy call (like God exists, America is a great country, democracy is the best system of government, capitalism trumps communism and socialism, etc.), I was wrong. I am so tired of being wrong. Don't you get tired of being wrong?


Fortunately, I don't have that problem. I am wrong from time to time, true enough ... but not as regularly as your statement above alludes. If anything, my problem is that I am correct more times than I wish.

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That's called a circular logic loop, Chico. Free clue: remove one word from the statement and it'll yet be rescued from the jaws of logical fallacy. :jest:

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ps2: In the end, truthseeking is a lone warrior journey ... and I am begrudgingly beginning to realize that. For one can never depend on others to carry the same admiration and determination for the truth as the person in the mirror. Most others will walk with you in the pursuit of truths a certain distance ... but, then, their weakness for the soft truths will pull them off the paths leading to the hard truths.

This is true when you believe that only you have the truth! Truth by definition is universal. It should be the same for everyone. The reason it is not is because we all have very limited senses and operate with very limited accurate information processed by very limited brains. What that means is that we can never know the complete truth! We can seek it, we can approach it like a graph approaches an asymptote, but we can never achieve it. If you think you have it, you have failed.


There are different standards of truth investigation. Equating low standards with high standards and passing off universal dictates about truth investigation ... well ... let's just say that that does not serve the truth.


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ps3: I expect too much from my fellow truthseekers because the alternative is to expect too little.

Do you think that your expectations have anything to do with the truth?


If I didn't believe in my own standards of truth investigation, then I wouldn't expect it of others ... so yes, my expectations have much to do with the truth (as uncovered by my evidentiary standards of truth investigation).
To wit, the evidence does not bend as much as the blacksmith wants to bend it, whether that blacksmith be you or me. As it were.

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Just because you suffer from a self-admitted semi-closed mind, Chico, is not an indication that all of us are equally susceptible.

:lol: Agreed, but that was not the justification behind my observation.

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Assange had been exposed beyond any shred of doubt

Assange played only a minor role in the discussion. Using an association with Assange as the reason to dismiss the validity of anything said during that discussion is beyond a semi-closed mind. It's approaching a tightly closed mind.

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Question begs ... how culpable are these accommodators? Not exactly accomplices ... but not exactly truthseekers either, e.g. those that refuse to make the call when required.

Black and white thinking, Zook. So you believe one cannot be a truthseeker if one is accommodating or refuses to "make the call". Really, you should know better.

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The ongoing accommodation of Assange speaks volumes about your radius of inquiry, Chico.

I am indeed working with incomplete knowledge, but I recognize that fact and I do all I can to expand my "radius of inquiry". You, on the other hand, believe you are working with complete knowledge, which is what allows you to feel certain enough to "make the call" and avoid expanding your "radius of inquiry". I think you are making an error, and you think I am making an error. It is, in the final analysis, a question of balance.

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But then, please stop railing against sociopaths and psychopaths ... for you will have lost the rational authority to do so.

Wrong. I do not speak from authority, for I do not recognize authority as a valid basis for truth. I do speak from rational analysis of a body of verifiable knowledge drawn from my radius of inquiry into sociopathy, politics, conspiracies, black operations, history, and economics. I encourage you to question any rational analysis I do, and I will entertain all challenges to my "railing", the goal of which is to determine how humanity got into this mess, and how to get out of it.

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Assange is a sociopath. Anyone who wittingly performs in the duty of the bankster empire - as Assange clearly does via Wikileaks - is most certainly a sociopath ... the only question is in degree.

Don't be ridiculous. Many people use banks, work for paper and digital money, buy products and services, and interact with the bankster empire in a myriad of ways, all without being sociopaths.

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Just listened to the last 30 minutes against my better judgment. That's a half-hour that I will never get back.

I'm sorry it was an unproductive use of your time, but I'm not surprised. You need to watch it straight through, sequentially, with an interested and inquiring mind in order to maximize the benefit you receive. Not everyone is willing to do that.

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But Banana Boy <----- this clown is here just to disrupt the forum. There's a reason why he's been kicked off virtually all the forums he has ever enrolled at ... his fingerprints are dirty.

I too have been kicked off all the forums I have ever enrolled at. I too present information that some consider disruptive. I'm not sure why you exempt me from being an operative. I even watched an Assange video with interest and got something out of it! That should pretty much make me as guilty as Andy, given those associations. Hopefully you can see now why guilt by association is such a flawed concept.

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IMO, that speaks to your modest ability with regards to reading the evidence and discerning between the possible and the impossible ... the probable and the improbable. Sorry to be so blunt Chico. But time is short and I have no patience for mind curvatures such as interpreting the improbable as highly possible ...

How short is the time, and how impatient should we all be? Impatient people always find that time is short, do they not?

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Fortunately, I don't have that problem. I am wrong from time to time, true enough ... but not as regularly as your statement above alludes.

Don't take that figure of speech ("all the time") literally. Let me give you an illustration that might clarify the concept of balance for you. I lose at chess "all the time". Well, not literally, but roughly about half the time. When I taught chess, I would tell my students that if you're not losing about half your games, you are playing the wrong people. It's important for your training to play the strong players. It's also important to know how to accept losing, and how to benefit from those losses.

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If anything, my problem is that I am correct more times than I wish.

You are playing the wrong people.

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None are more wrong than those that falsely believe that they are right.

That's called a circular logic loop, Chico. Free clue: remove one word from the statement and it'll yet be rescued from the jaws of logical fallacy.

Interesting. I have an opportunity here to learn how I am falling into the jaws of a logical fallacy. Please explain, as I'm not seeing it. I assume you will also invalidate the related expression "None are more enslaved than those that falsely believe that they are free." It will be instructive to see Goethe deconstructed by Uncle Zook.

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If I didn't believe in my own standards of truth investigation, then I wouldn't expect it of others ... so yes, my expectations have much to do with the truth (as uncovered by my evidentiary standards of truth investigation).

I don't question your belief in your own standards of truth investigation. I only question the legitimacy of some of those standards.

In any event, Zook, I appreciate your sportsmanship in humoring me while I rest easily on my uncertainty. Muchas gracias, amigo. :thumbup:

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