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Chico deems it worthy to pursue a video posted in 2007 that fumbles through the pancake hypothesis...

This thread is about the propaganda used to deceive people about 9/11. I stumbled across this video by chance and saw how it was pertinent to the subject. I posted it as a working example of how the Big Lie is supported and maintained. For some people, those lessons will have value.

9/11 is one of the best opportunities we have to wake up the sheeple to the con-game they are falling for. More and more people realize that 9/11 was a psychological operation orchestrated by criminals within our own government. We should support that growing realization.

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We should support that growing realization.

I agree, coincidentally I ran into someone who referenced the pancake model. I did not know the beams were supposed to have stood up.

This video is a 911 debunker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmIjDfpTeMc Hes currently associated with Charlie Vtech.
He states it did not fall at free fall speed but a little slower. He then saids the core beams were standing 30 stories, which he fails to provide any evidence. Then he uses a guy who goes into numerology about the event. He then discredits people hearing explosions at the base of the building due to gasoline and why would someone explode the bottom if the event was from top down.

I went pass a couple more of his videos debunking thermite, to his WtC 7 debunk. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PpsCCTMP8w

Hes using the NIST handbook throughout the whole thing anyway. He just thinks its fires and no explosions heard.
This is a good example of both sides getting lost in the details and forgetting the obvious that it was an inside Job.

The series is good to keep your chops up on debunking the event.

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He states it did not fall at free fall speed but a little slower.

Yes, it was near free-fall speed. The sequencing of the charge explosions will determine the speed of collapse. If they are exploded simultaneously, you get free-fall speed. The New York fireman in the video I saw somewhere (Loose Change?) describing the explosions descending in rapid succession is consistent with the near free-fall speed of the collapse. Pancaking floors would take much longer to collapse the building, about nine times longer, if I remember correctly.


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He then saids the core beams were standing 30 stories, which he fails to provide any evidence.

The central core column beams were hauled away immediately after the collapse, as if to destroy the evidence. Rare photos of the beams show them to be straight sections about 30 feet in length with angled thermal cuts at both ends, also consistent with controlled demolition.

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why would someone explode the bottom if the event was from top down.

The core columns were much "beefier" for the lower floors, due to the greater weight they had to support. The WTC towers were probably among the strongest buildings ever constructed, and turning them into a pile of rubble and clouds of dust was an immense demolition challenge. The only pieces I saw standing at the tail end of the collapse were sections of the external steel lattice that surrounded the tower exterior. There should have been central core beams standing, but it appears they were all nicely cut up into easily transportable sections for quick disposal.

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This is a good example of both sides getting lost in the details and forgetting the obvious that it was an inside Job.

It's only obvious if you have the true information needed to piece together the event, and those responsible have done their best to make sure we don't get the true information.

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The laboratory director from a South Bend firm has been fired for attempting to cast doubt on the federal investigation into what caused the World Trade Center's twin towers to collapse on Sept. 11, 2001.

Kevin R. Ryan was terminated Tuesday from his job at Environmental Health Laboratories Inc., a subsidiary of Underwriters Laboratories Inc., the consumer-product safety testing giant. -- source

Interesting connections in the web of 9/11 from the very same Kevin R. Ryan.



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Amazing stuff, thanks for the link.

Here some more with Danny Jowenko he died in a mysterious car crash in July 2011. He was a demolition expert who was flung into this deception.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zHHvo6U4lA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3DRhwRN06I

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Here some more with Danny Jowenko he died in a mysterious car crash in July 2011.

I was completely unaware that he had died in an "accident"! :shock:

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Demolition expert Danny Jowenko, one of world's leading building demolition experts, was killed in a one-car accident last week when his car slammed into a tree. Jowenko received international attention as the expert who unequivocally described the collapse of Building 7 at the World Trade Center on 911 as a "demolition." -- source


A "loss-of-control" car accident is a classic CIA assassination technique.

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9/11 Press Conference - Fire Chief Claims "Fake Firefighters" Giving False Information


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMa0jXRm_Is

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9/11 Press Conference - Fire Chief Claims "Fake Firefighters" Giving False Information

Every psy-op requires that the flow of information be carefully controlled. We can't have firefighters talking freely to the press after the attack on 9/11. Truthful information might accidently leak out and have unintended consequences. As a result, the psy-op could fail to have the desired psychological effect on the public.

Fake firefighters -- that's a good one. :thumbup:

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David Icke has a lot of examples of "That's a good one!" in this lecture he gives on the bumbling story-telling the public received on 9/11. Too bad the American public has been so well trained to believe what they are told without question.



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The 9/11 lie has persisted for 13 years. Millions of Muslims have paid for this lie with their lives, the destruction of their families, and with their dislocation. Most Americans remain comfortable with the fact that their government has destroyed in whole or part seven countries based on a lie Washington told to cover up an inside job that launched the crazed neoconservatives’ drive for Washington’s World Empire. -- Paul Craig Roberts (source)

Not this American! I am constantly calling for bringing to justice the real perpetrators of 9/11 -- the organized sociopaths controlling the United States government!

Even Paul Craig Roberts, an insider who served in the Reagan administration, says 9/11 was an inside job. There's no conspiracy theory here. There's only real conspiracy. Real conspiracy is standard operating procedure for organized sociopaths. It's as normal to them as breathing is to the rest of us. 9/11 didn't happen by accident. It was without a doubt a conspiracy. That conspiracy was blamed on carefully selected patsies (airplane hijacking terrorists) so that the real conspirators would never be suspected. That too is standard operating procedure for the real conspirators. They did the same thing with the assassinations of JFK, RFK, and MLK. There is always an unsuspecting patsy lined up and ready to take the fall. The playbook is always about the same, because it always works. It gets better over time as the ruling sociopaths gain experience. Much of that experience comes from psy-ops in foreign countries that are often used as quiet laboratories. Yes, there is a science to the deception and manipulation business, and the ruling sociopaths are quite practiced at it. We've been had, continuously.

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