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magamud
Joined: Wed May 18, 2011 10:33 pm Posts: 4156
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Re: Relieved of duty
Its a slippery slope. Plus truth comes from unexpected places, you need to be wide open to gather information. I say support transparency and anonymity equally in its virtuous regards and let the emergent dynamics take care of themselves.
_________________ Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.
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Wed May 02, 2012 9:23 pm |
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Chicodoodoo
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Joined: Tue May 03, 2011 6:06 pm Posts: 11875
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Re: Relieved of duty
I am continually amazed at how dense some UP members are. Canzirka's poll is not valid. It failed to meet the minimum required number of voting members because of GW's sockpuppets. There are other reasons why it was flawed from the very beginning, but all of those are unnecessary given that primary failure. There is a small group of members here with a clear agenda to remove information from others' posts. They do NOT have a high consensus majority here on this forum. Through GW's deception and manipulation, they have made it appear as if they do, and now they are insisting that the administrator carry out their wishes. That administrator has been accused of tyranny (by these same people) and is now on administrative suspension. In other words, by way of cheating, the guilty feel fully justified in their demands. Am I the only one that sees the problem here? No, probably not. I believe Magamud has clearly indicated that he sees it, as has Andy. But we have some members, like Canzirka, Lee, and all of GW's sockpuppets, that see no problem whatsoever, much to my consternation as both member and suspended administrator. Lee, would it not be more accurate to say GW has chosen to disrupt this process, and GW has chosen to disrupt high-consensus democracy? After all, she is the one creating all the sockpuppets (skewing the poll results), and implementing the clever "divide and conquer" strategies. By the way, I would caution members about taking GW's word as gospel. I have personally learned that she is a master of deception and manipulation, a superb spin-artist, and is not to be trusted. Recording Skype conversations without the knowledge of the participants hardly seems like the actions of one so concerned with individual privacy, does it not? Actions speak louder than words, for those that can "see".
_________________ It's not that we can't handle the truth. It's that they can't handle us if we know the truth.
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Wed May 02, 2012 10:21 pm |
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Grumplebum
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:45 pm Posts: 252 Location: South of the Equator
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Re: Relieved of duty
Hi magamud, Read "More balanced track" = More peaceful path. Information could come from unexpected sources, the moderators job is not to prevent that, it's merely to protect the integrity of the forum and it's members when needs be. No agenda, no personal opinion, nothing. I can only see one member here that could be allowed to do this task without anybody complaining, being one of the most balanced, experienced and mature people here. The thing is would she take on the task and would the forum administration want to admit a moderator on the forum? Best regards.
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Wed May 02, 2012 10:23 pm |
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magamud
Joined: Wed May 18, 2011 10:33 pm Posts: 4156
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Re: Relieved of duty
GB, Who would be your suggested Moderator?
_________________ Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.
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Wed May 02, 2012 10:31 pm |
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andywight
Joined: Wed May 04, 2011 5:40 pm Posts: 2156
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Re: Relieved of duty
Wow, you're willing to accept a poll that has been proven to be corrupted! that's the most fucking retarded thing I think I've heard here so far! Anyhoo, no big deal as this forum presently doesn't have anyone administrating it, its only really a matter of time before it chokes its self and shuts down! Knock yourself out! p.s. anyone figured out yet how to replace the free server service that Chico has provided to you all?
_________________Think twice before you speak, especially if you intend to say what you think. QRK: QifUSqn6ygXK61pEkm2g4iBY9ZcLw4g4su FCK: FettxKyQVhsSURZt1XQxUTypwxEeBbTgUQ Please visit http://forum.qrk.cc/ for all things Crypto!
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Wed May 02, 2012 10:56 pm |
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Canzirka
Joined: Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:08 pm Posts: 359
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Re: Relieved of duty
Well storm gave a good solution.
I suggested we just do it publicly in a thread because everyone has already said their opinion publicly.
We could have had this resolved ages ago
Honestly Chico, it just looks like you are stalling.
We could just vote on removing the GW and TH stuff. At least that would clear the deck and you could come up something that satisfies your procedural need for the long term.
_________________ Freedom of will is the ability to do gladly that which I must do - Carl Jung
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Wed May 02, 2012 11:07 pm |
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raggin
Joined: Wed May 02, 2012 11:33 am Posts: 82
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Re: Relieved of duty
_________________ "If they {hippies} drop out completely, I have no use for them. Why don't they commit suicide instead of cluttering up the streets." ~Arthur C. Clarke
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Wed May 02, 2012 11:09 pm |
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Lee
Joined: Sun Apr 15, 2012 6:16 pm Posts: 433
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Re: Relieved of duty
No, at this point 'I' would say you are about the same in disrupting this process. 'I' would delete the sock puppet's that we know about. Surely that's a step in the right direction. My position won't change on Canzirka's poll and how that has played out. But should a real workable solution be forthcoming I would support it. I don't believe I am 'cheating' in my attempts to pressure you to fulfill your responsibilities. It is a difference of opinion, as I believe the process will be worked out and changed over time through it's 'practical' use. It's preferable to me, than endless disruptions. Perhaps the majority will agree to somewhere in the middle. 'I' don't take GW's word as gospel, or anyone's really, and can't imagine at this point many would. It's more than Canzirka and I, with GW's sock puppets. Lily, Sandy, NG, others I can't recall atm have also supported removing personal info, so even did Mag's initially. Please resist the urge to group and label. Andy is like a rabid dog attacking anyone he possibly can to inflame the situation. I am still hopeful this forum can prosper without a moderating team. Thanks, Lee
_________________ Privacy is important and should not be betrayed.
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Wed May 02, 2012 11:14 pm |
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andywight
Joined: Wed May 04, 2011 5:40 pm Posts: 2156
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Re: Relieved of duty
I am in full support of this decision Chico and would like to thank you for everything you're done to start/run this forum and for providing the free server service.
_________________Think twice before you speak, especially if you intend to say what you think. QRK: QifUSqn6ygXK61pEkm2g4iBY9ZcLw4g4su FCK: FettxKyQVhsSURZt1XQxUTypwxEeBbTgUQ Please visit http://forum.qrk.cc/ for all things Crypto!
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Wed May 02, 2012 11:37 pm |
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magamud
Joined: Wed May 18, 2011 10:33 pm Posts: 4156
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Re: Relieved of duty
_________________ Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.
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Wed May 02, 2012 11:39 pm |
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