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Grumplebum wrote:

If people wish to make up 'sockpuppet' characters just to vote, they must have a very boring life. Have you seen what the votes are about? Not exactly important.

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Obviously not to you, but I'm sure it would be to a "internet drama junkie" who's banning was being voted on!

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Tue May 01, 2012 7:02 pm
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Simple solution.....don't let them join.

Not so simple. Not all proxy servers can be identified by IP address. Some proxy servers change their IP address regularly. Even if you filter out anyone joining with a known proxy IP address, there is still a problem. A small city can be serviced by an Internet provider showing a single IP address. For example, everyone in the Bahamas would show the same IP address if they join UP. Suppose we have five members from the Bahamas. Do we have five unique individuals, or is it just Andy Wight who has registered using five different accounts? (No offense intended, Andy.)


Complicated...and yet is apparently done elsewhere?

Why not filter out anyone with a known proxy IP address?

Then look at ways to identify whether or not they are individuals that have to use a proxy, should the smaller problem arise (of 5 unique people showing the same IP address)...

If it's the Bahamas, we all know it would be Andy...in fact there's probably only four of us here... ;)

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Lee wrote:
Canzirka wrote:
Simple solution.....don't let them join.

Not so simple. Not all proxy servers can be identified by IP address. Some proxy servers change their IP address regularly. Even if you filter out anyone joining with a known proxy IP address, there is still a problem. A small city can be serviced by an Internet provider showing a single IP address. For example, everyone in the Bahamas would show the same IP address if they join UP. Suppose we have five members from the Bahamas. Do we have five unique individuals, or is it just Andy Wight who has registered using five different accounts? (No offense intended, Andy.)


Complicated...and yet is apparently done elsewhere?

Why not filter out anyone with a known proxy IP address?

Then look at ways to identify whether or not they are individuals that have to use a proxy, should the smaller problem arise (of 5 unique people showing the same IP address)...

If it's the Bahamas, we all know it would be Andy...in fact there's probably only four of us here... ;)

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You are correct Lee, that is what other forums do.

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Tue May 01, 2012 9:26 pm
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Well, let's get it sorted then...start filtering them out.

Anyone disagree with this?

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Lee wrote:
Why not filter out anyone with a known proxy IP address?

Because it doesn't solve the problem. People can still create multiple sockpuppets. They will often have the same IP address, but there is no way to know if they are all the same person simply by looking at the IP address.

I can change the IP address my Internet provider assigns to me just by resetting my modem. I could register at UP multiple times with multiple IP addresses all from the comfort of my kitchen table. I can do the same thing at Nexus or any other forum. It doesn't matter for those other forums, because there the members don't really make the decisions. If members are to make the important decisions here, we are going to have to find way that works.

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So you will not filter them out , but will use them to invalidate a poll? You can't have it both ways.

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O.K. does anyone know another way??

Also, we know that GW has several sockpuppets here...and you have been able to "somewhat" confirm this by checking her ip address. She has confirmed it also. Doesn't seem to be any confusion.

How do we go about removing her??

I don't imagine this needs a poll..
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Doesn't seem to be any confusion.

Its interesting you frame it that way, when all this confusion is happening currently.

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How do we go about removing her??

I don't imagine this needs a poll..
Lee


Anybody..???

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In order to allow polling to continue, multiple accounts must be deleted. Chico, as admin it is your duty to make polls available to the members. Please remove multiple accounts of GW. She has already supplied the names to her accounts. Please remove all but one of her accounts so we, as members od UP may vote in a valid poll.

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