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Readers might want to go through the archives - if they are masochistic - or even just parse through the protracted Banning For Dollars thread ... but they'll be left out in the desert to dry, if they seek even one example of you censuring Andy at any time for any reason.

:lol: I censure based on need, and I admit the need has been much more pressing in your case than in Andy's case. In fact, we probably have the two extremes of the spectrum in you and Andy when it comes to censure from Chico. I can only recall one example where I applied some censure towards Andy, and only one where Andy applied some towards me. But the point is that your analogy is like the hardened criminal telling the judge, "I've already been sent to jail so many times, it's unfair."

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Readers might want to go through the archives - if they are masochistic - or even just parse through the protracted Banning For Dollars thread ... but they'll be left out in the desert to dry, if they seek even one example of you censuring Andy at any time for any reason.

:lol: I censure based on need, and I admit the need has been much more pressing in your case than in Andy's case. In fact, we probably have the two extremes of the spectrum in you and Andy when it comes to censure from Chico. I can only recall one example where I applied some censure towards Andy, and only one where Andy applied some towards me. But the point is that your analogy is like the hardened criminal telling the judge, "I've already been sent to jail so many times, it's unfair."


It seems that the "Zook" has succeeded in doing exactly what he accused me of!

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It seems that the "Zook" has succeeded in doing exactly what he accused me of!

What? What!? Then it came to me (only because I happened to ask you). Oh, of course, you mean "derailing the thread"! Zook actually did it in the second post, before you had even posted! But it is true that almost anything can be on-topic if we make enough connections, as Zook explains here, which means there is no such thing as "derailing the thread". Instead, it is just an excuse for moderators to exercise their authority and legitimize their positions. Zook would know about that. In actuality, at least here at UP, members can talk about whatever they want, wherever they want, and only risk censure by their fellow members (or in really extreme cases, suspension by their fellow members). Not so at Avalon, Atticus1.org (now agora1.org), Nexus, and Universal Spectrum, where swift and permanent BANNING is delivered by the authorities. And Zook would know about that, too.

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No go ... Chico ... yet another prevarication on your part. I doubt very much that you would like it if I implied that your mother or sister or daughter was a whore or that you were the product of a rape. Certainly, your two options then would be to ignore me ... or to censure me.

Salient fact: Andy already derailed the thread with his Oedipal innuendo.

Anyone with a mother would recognize that he wasn't interested in a response from me about the contents of this thread ... that he had calculated that I wouldn't respond to him (what proper son would after the comment he made) ... but it allows him to derail the thread started by Mags. Now derailed with a sideshow in place, he's attempting to cover his tracks by introducing a random video he found on the internet that had Kim Dotcom speaking about the internet censorship, with this trite comment: "This guy makes a lot of sense!". Par for the course, Andy doesn't offer anything about the video ... just a useless remark to give the appearance that he is interested in Mags thread. Classic gatekeeping.

Maybe you Chico, or Mags, don't respect your mothers as I do ... and I'm sure Andy doesn't respect motherhood or his own mother or the mother of his kid (by the way he treats someone else's mother on this forum) ... but I don't respond to that kind of provocation unless at my own leisure. We have learned one more thing about Andy ... he is likely a misogynist.

This thread is officially derailed.

Porn peddlers like Kim Dotcom have nothing constructive to offer on the debate about internet censorship ... their own self-interest blinds them to real solutions. In all likelihood, they were probably enabled into their positions by the power pyramid that seeks ideological subversion, as exposed by Yuri Begmenov in an old G. Edward Griffin interview. The commerce of sex through internet pimping and prostitution and internet filesharing is a major player in the ideological subversion of the human species, worldwide.

So if we look at Kim Dotcom as a power pyramid operand enabled so that he offer up phony solutions, e.g. distracting nonsolutions, that interfere with any real discussion of understanding the problem and finding the solution(s) ... then we can stick a fork in Kim and load him into a tree bucket.

Hugh Hefner and Larry Flynt had fulfilled the same role of ideological subversion in the 60's and 70's ... at the height of the sexual revolution <-------------- which itself was a vehicle - funded by the power pyramid - to reduce gender interactions to basic instincts. Men and women were built to have sex ... not built to exploit each other while having sex. The exploitation was designed ... and is being carried by the camel of the commerce of sex.

Get rid of the commerce of sex ... make it free ... and you can have sex without the exploitation.

Pax

ps: Topics evolve ...or they get derailed. I'm evolving the topic because Kim Dotcom is effectively done as a solutions finder.

ps2: One does not locate the solution at the level of thinking that created the problem.

ps3: In the end, this thread has very little to do with internet censorship ... so what is actually derailed is not the topic of internet censorship ... but the topic of a peddler's right to peddle his wares (e.g. porn instruments, financial instruments, music instruments, etc.) and peddle his services (e.g. piracy and copyright infringements/ workarounds), on the internet.

ps4: The discussion of internet censorship belongs to those who don't have a vested interest, at least in teh higher discourses.

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- Total Zookshit -

Now, Now, UncleShill don't get your Kurta Pyjamas in a twist!

What's so wrong in pointing out that you're a single middle aged man who still lives with his mother, it's common knowledge which you have even publicly admitted to!

You constantly bring sex into your posts, I was mealy trying to sympathize with your obvious shortfalls in this area. :D


p.s. I'm researching your PTB(aka. Wikipedia) link that connects Kim Bitcom to porn, which as a truth-seeker of such self proclaimed advancement you must already have done, so could you please help me out here and link me to this?

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Haven't watched to whole movie yet, but from what I've seem so far hasn't impressed me as much as your Kim Dotcom link, sure their smart kids, but they seem intent on attacking the system for more egotistical than moral reasons.

Will try to watch the rest this weekend.

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Certainly, your two options then would be to ignore me ... or to censure me.

No, there are more than two options. I would simply ask for your evidence in an effort to determine if your allegations have any merit.

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Salient fact: Andy already derailed the thread with his Oedipal innuendo.

It's more complicated than that. The first person that could be suspected of derailing the thread would have to be you in the second post of this thread, where you shifted the subject from encrypting the Internet to the sex trade. But I recognize that there is a connection between the sex trade and sharing sex-related files on Megaupload and the idea of encrypting the Internet, though it is a weak connection in context of a thread entitled "Russian Times". So in reality, the derailment of a thread is in the eye of the beholder, which is why I don't support trying to dictate the direction a thread should follow.

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Maybe you Chico, or Mags, don't respect your mothers as I do ... and I'm sure Andy doesn't respect motherhood or his own mother or the mother of his kid

I agree with you that by bringing your living arrangements into any argument, Andy is essentially attacking the messenger rather than the message, which I personally frown upon. But you do the same thing in bulk (i.e. targeting the messenger), and you even justify it as necessary and unavoidable. So if you're going to dish it out, shouldn't you be willing to receive it graciously?

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Par for the course, Andy doesn't offer anything about the video ... just a useless remark to give the appearance that he is interested in Mags thread. Classic gatekeeping.

Gatekeeping, like thread derailment, is in the eye of the beholder. To my eye, UncleZook is guilty of gatekeeping far in excess of Andywight, and I have stated as much in the "Busted" thread. However, what I have learned from that exercise is that we are all molded into gatekeepers, to varying degrees, by the very sociopathic system that shapes us, and we are usually not aware of it.

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Porn peddlers like Kim Dotcom have nothing constructive to offer on the debate about internet censorship ...

I disagree. In times of intense government surveillance for the purposes of domination and control, exactly what Kim Dotcom is experiencing now as he is unjustly persecuted, what Kim Dotcom has to say is particularly germane to the discussion. Your comparison to Hugh Hefner and Larry Flynt is not very relevant, in my opinion.

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Get rid of the commerce of sex ... make it free ... and you can have sex without the exploitation.

That could certainly be another interesting thread, but you are calling for the abolition of the world's oldest profession. Many have tried, and all have failed. It may be impossible to successfully outlaw human nature.

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ps3: In the end, this thread has very little to do with internet censorship ...

Yes, but that's our own fault, and in my opinion, there's nothing wrong with that. If any one of us wants to refocus the discussion onto Internet privacy, we are certainly free to do so. That is, in a nutshell, why I started this forum -- freedom.

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ps4: The discussion of internet censorship belongs to those who don't have a vested interest, at least in the higher discourses.

No, it belongs to all of us, because it is an issue of freedom, which affects all of us.

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Certainly, your two options then would be to ignore me ... or to censure me.

No, there are more than two options. I would simply ask for your evidence in an effort to determine if your allegations have any merit.

Which is also exactly what I asked him to produce, his response was "Oedipal innuendo", which I'm at a loss to understand as I only mentioned where and with who he lives, nothing about him fucking his mother... or have I unintentionally stumbled upon something far more sinister here?

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Salient fact: Andy already derailed the thread with his Oedipal innuendo.

It's more complicated than that. The first person that could be suspected of derailing the thread would have to be you in the second post of this thread, where you shifted the subject from encrypting the Internet to the sex trade. But I recognize that there is a connection between the sex trade and sharing sex-related files on Megaupload and the idea of encrypting the Internet, though it is a weak connection in context of a thread entitled "Russian Times". So in reality, the derailment of a thread is in the eye of the beholder, which is why I don't support trying to dictate the direction a thread should follow.

Bravo Chico, try and find another forum out there that practices anything close to this balanced form of management!

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Maybe you Chico, or Mags, don't respect your mothers as I do ... and I'm sure Andy doesn't respect motherhood or his own mother or the mother of his kid

I agree with you that by bringing your living arrangements into any argument, Andy is essentially attacking the messenger rather than the message, which I personally frown upon. But you do the same thing in bulk (i.e. targeting the messenger), and you even justify it as necessary and unavoidable. So if you're going to dish it out, shouldn't you be willing to receive it graciously?

You want to compare posts here UncleZook?

For anyone remotely interested in the facts please follow this link to see some of the evidence gathered on one of Universal Spectrum's "Super Mods"! viewtopic.php?f=39&t=898

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Par for the course, Andy doesn't offer anything about the video ... just a useless remark to give the appearance that he is interested in Mags thread. Classic gatekeeping.

Gatekeeping, like thread derailment, is in the eye of the beholder. To my eye, UncleZook is guilty of gatekeeping far in excess of Andywight, and I have stated as much in the "Busted" thread. However, what I have learned from that exercise is that we are all molded into gatekeepers, to varying degrees, by the very sociopathic system that shapes us, and we are usually not aware of it.

Does living on a small Island in the Bahamas with close to zero goverment interference/Zero income tax/Zero land tax in a country that has never declared war on anyone exempt me from this judgement?

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Porn peddlers like Kim Dotcom have nothing constructive to offer on the debate about internet censorship ...

I disagree. In times of intense government surveillance for the purposes of domination and control, exactly what Kim Dotcom is experiencing now as he is unjustly persecuted, what Kim Dotcom has to say is particularly germane to the discussion. Your comparison to Hugh Hefner and Larry Flynt is not very relevant, in my opinion.

You need to check your facts before running your mouth UncleShill! Larry Flynt has done more for freedom of speech in the United States than you'd ever do, care to challenge me on this?

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Get rid of the commerce of sex ... make it free ... and you can have sex without the exploitation.

That could certainly be another interesting thread, but you are calling for the abolition of the world's oldest profession. Many have tried, and all have failed. It may be impossible to successfully outlaw human nature.

I think it's clear why you don't have a girlfriend UncleZook. :lol:

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ps3: In the end, this thread has very little to do with internet censorship ...

Yes, but that's our own fault, and in my opinion, there's nothing wrong with that. If any one of us wants to refocus the discussion onto Internet privacy, we are certainly free to do so. That is, in a nutshell, why I started this forum -- freedom.

You obviously didn't watch the videos UncleZook, they were very much about internet censorship! Why do think he mentioned wanting to encrypt half of it! :roll: Then again why would you watch them, you're just following instructions from your handler's on which topics to derail!

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ps4: The discussion of internet censorship belongs to those who don't have a vested interest, at least in the higher discourses.

No, it belongs to all of us, because it is an issue of freedom, which affects all of us.

Wow, is this what advanced truth-seekers like you do UncleZook? Say who can discuss what, and where!

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However, what I have learned from that exercise is that we are all molded into gatekeepers, to varying degrees, by the very sociopathic system that shapes us, and we are usually not aware of it.

Does living on a small Island in the Bahamas with close to zero goverment interference/Zero income tax/Zero land tax in a country that has never declared war on anyone exempt me from this judgement?

It certainly helps, but the only exemptions I can think of are the very "people" that influence us to do their bidding through subtle but sophisticated forms of mind control -- the ruling sociopaths. If you are educated in the schools they control, you are under their influence. If you get your news from their media companies, you are under their influence. If you follow the rules of their legal system, you are under their influence. If you participate in the money system, you are under their influence. And here's the clincher -- if you believe that you are not under their influence, you are under their influence.

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