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Truthseeking communities on the internet have been attacked in many explicit ways over the past decade or so (forum trolling, messenger attacks, character assassination, disinformation, misinformation, etc.).

But there is one method that has been particularly effective because it offers multiple forms and multiple avenues of resistance against the establishment of fact. As truthseekers, we encounter this method often, and if we have any sense of discernment, recognize it as the displacement of the pursuit of reality with the pursuit of fantasy. Reality exists outside the mind. Fantasy exists within the mind for the most part, borrowing from the outside here and there, now and then, to prevent complete detachment of itself.

Truthseekers are sworn to defend reality at all costs; to keep it pure against the here and there and now and then foraging raids of fantasy. The singular duty of truthseekers is to keep fantasy at bay and as far away from reality as humanly possible. By contrast, the antiseekers have the opposite task, to attach fantasy to as many points of reality as possible. To keep things in a continual fog. The battle between good and evil has yet another costumed duo in the battle between the realitans (good) and the fantasians (evil).

What? Fantasy is evil?? No. Not in and of itself. But when juxtaposed with reality, it cannot escape being the antagonist, e.g. the evil. For example, in 2017, the reality of the world is that it is in a severely corrupted state that must be addressed. Pursuing fantasy in this juxtaposition is then tantamount to pursuing evil, for the pursuit takes the finite resources of the mind and redirects them away from the lurking, looming reality. An ostrich response, as it were. The threatening reality is ignored. The corruption intensifies.

We find plenty of examples of the evil of fantasy in children’s literature. The fantasia surrounding the gingerbread house, in Hansel and Gretel, speaks volumes about deception and the need for awareness (of the reality). The fantasia surrounding Oz, in The Wizard of Oz, takes Dorothy through a strange journey, a frightening journey, the end of which is a new beginning and a new appreciation of reality, e.g. “There is no place like home.” TWOZ is essentially a call for defending the home turf, with the dream sequence representing the carriage of evil. In The Ugly Duckling, the fantastic burden carried by a cygnet mistaking itself for a duckling, is gradually overturned as reality commences to stretch its neck and gift it with grace and beauty. Now, I’ve given you three examples where reality ends up being much better than fantasy. But there are other examples where reality is the worse place and fantasy is the preferred space. However, those other examples cannot deliver happiness for any length of time, because fantasy itself is not real. Fantasy is escapism from reality and is fleeting in nature ... a massive hangover awaits the end of all fantasies, good ones and bad ones.

Getting to the point of this thread, I’m now going to expose three forms of the fantasian method that I’ve had the displeasure of coming across (on internet forums) in the past decade. All three of these fantasian forms are seeking to displace the pursuit of reality with their own pursuit and flavour of escapism. All three are doomed to end up in a massive hangover for those drawn into the respective essences.


Three shepherds:
Bill Ryan, Chicodoodoo, 9eagle9.

Three fantasian staffs:
NeoAvalon Navelgazing (NAN), Shades Of Sociopathy (SOS), Their Mind Stuff (TMS)

Three sheep herds on the pasture:
cult leader (Bill Ryan) with many navel-searching souls spanning across age cohorts, IQ cohorts, economic class cohorts;
cult leader (Chico) with one woman disciple (Gemma);
cult leader (Eagles) with four eunuch disciples (8t88, Reaver, Aikisaw, Vajrayaya)


The three fantasian forms when juxtaposed with reality, have their own unique responses.

The NAN-obedient simply avoid the pursuit of reality by going deeper into the navel. And if any member should stand up and resist the inner depths, they are warned to comply ... or else ... . All problems reside outside the NAN-community and must be kept there so as not to infect the community. All solutions reside at the core of inner exploration and in the drone of community groupthink. Out of sight, out of mind.

The SOS-obedient navigate around the pursuit of reality as if it were a softly snoring elephant in the middle of the room. Besides, everything that is wrong with the world can be attributed to a shade of sociopathy. And anything that can’t be attributed to sociopathy does not matter. So the pursuit of reality is unnecessary for this mindset. As for the elephant, any time it attempts to wake up, it is tranquilized again. A snoring elephant is audio-friendly and a roaring one is not. Out of sound, out of mind.

The TMS-obedient see the pursuit of reality as an obstacle to happiness. They acknowledge that reality exists and is a formidable beast. But they have also conceded the fight. Prostrating themselves in front of the beast, they beg its favor. Usufruct is an example of begging. “You set the laws, O formidable beast, and we will abide them. We obey you. And we will hunt and gather those that threaten to reveal you, so that you may feed. And the rest, we will find and also make them meek.” Out of fight, out of mind.

Then there is the pursuit of reality, a pursuit abandoned by the three fantasian forms mentioned above and the respective indoctrinees. This pursuit is honest. It is clean. It is heavy. It is a threat to the corruptions and the corrupters of reality. And it does earnest battle with the fantasian forms for the minds of humanity, so that the future may yet be secured by the goodness in people before it is too late.

And because the battle with the pursuit of fantasy is internecine, the pursuit of reality is reviled by those that stand to lose their psychological refuges, e.g. if the pursuit of reality ever amounted to anything. So they do their best to obstruct the pursuit of reality.


Pax

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But there is one method that has been particularly effective because it offers multiple forms and multiple avenues of resistance against the establishment of fact. As truthseekers, we encounter this method often, and if we have any sense of discernment, recognize it as the displacement of the pursuit of reality with the pursuit of fantasy. Reality exists outside the mind.


“The Pursuit of Reality” because reality exists outside the mind???? How are you able to disconnect “factual reality” from the mind when human factual reality is created via the human mind i.e. intellect, thought, imagination, memory, desire, psychosis, inspiration leading to creativity/creation, etc???

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Reality exists outside the mind.


To me this is reductionist by looking at only one (emergent) variable in a complex set of variables making up “Reality”. And as there still is no definitive answer to “what is reality”, (also taking into consideration the whole cosmic environment), it makes no sense to me that psychology of the human mind would not be a practical key, if not the golden key, for determining the source/origin of “Reality”. Reality being the result of action from behavioural choices made by individuals and/or groups of individuals.
Behavioural choices can be source traced to the mind; (which is influenced by multiple variables).
(This includes, of course, the behavioural choices made by historians/media/writers/record keepers.)

Mind → Behavioural Choices → Reality

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Reality exists outside the mind.

Avoiding Mind = Avoiding Reality

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The SOS-obedient navigate around the pursuit of reality as if it were a softly snoring elephant in the middle of the room. Besides, everything that is wrong with the world can be attributed to a shade of sociopathy. And anything that can’t be attributed to sociopathy does not matter. So the pursuit of reality is unnecessary for this mindset. As for the elephant, any time it attempts to wake up, it is tranquilized again. A snoring elephant is audio-friendly and a roaring one is not. Out of sound, out of mind.


“The pursuit of reality is a softly snoring elephant in the middle of the room.” Yes, that would be the little baby elephant just having its afternoon nap whilst surrounded by its herd. :)

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So the pursuit of reality is unnecessary for this mindset.


The pursuit of reality (i.e. the mindsets that create reality) is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY for this mindset :lol:

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…because it offers multiple forms and multiple avenues of resistance against the establishment of fact…

Reality exists outside the mind.


What you are really saying Zook is that your mind’s interpretation of “established factual reality” should be unequivocally sanctioned to exist for the minds of everyone else . . . well, at the very least, all those that don’t agree with your determinations.

Thanks for your analytical offer of Reality Truth Seeking Salvation . . . but I’ll pass.


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But there is one method that has been particularly effective because it offers multiple forms and multiple avenues of resistance against the establishment of fact. As truthseekers, we encounter this method often, and if we have any sense of discernment, recognize it as the displacement of the pursuit of reality with the pursuit of fantasy. Reality exists outside the mind.


“The Pursuit of Reality” because reality exists outside the mind???? How are you able to disconnect “factual reality” from the mind when human factual reality is created via the human mind i.e. intellect, thought, imagination, memory, desire, psychosis, inspiration leading to creativity/creation, etc???


Any creation of the mind has one of two possible states: a dream state or a reality state. (Objective) reality is adjudged as that state that exists with or without the individual. Ergo, it must reside outside the mind. One can even correctly argue that subjective reality resides outside the subject ... and precisely because it can be contrasted with the subject's dream state which can only be accessed by the given individual. No one can access the dream state of another ... but they can access the subjective reality of another because this reality resides outside any given individual. For example, if someone perceives a red car; and someone else perceives the same car as orange in color ... the car still resides outside both individuals ... the only thing that is different is the perception of it. And while perceptions do enter the respective individual minds, the car remains outside. It is an actual car. Perceptions of reality are not reality itself. Perceptions of the car are not the car itself. And this is to be contrasted with those cars that move around in the dream state and have no physical dimension to them.

So both objective and subjective realities reside outside the mind. While the dream state resides in the mind and has no physical bridge to reality, which rsides outside the mind.

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Reality exists outside the mind.


To me this is reductionist by looking at only one (emergent) variable in a complex set of variables making up “Reality”. And as there still is no definitive answer to “what is reality”, (also taking into consideration the whole cosmic environment), it makes no sense to me that psychology of the human mind would not be a practical key, if not the golden key, for determining the source/origin of “Reality”. Reality being the result of action from behavioural choices made by individuals and/or groups of individuals.
Behavioural choices can be source traced to the mind; (which is influenced by multiple variables).
(This includes, of course, the behavioural choices made by historians/media/writers/record keepers.)

Mind → Behavioural Choices → Reality


Reductionist thinking is still more factual than expansionist thinking which is conjectural.

Again, reality is that which exists outside the mind and which cannot enter the mind. Perceptions of reality can enter the mind, but perceptions are like shadows, they are not the real thing. Shadows exist because objects exist that block the light. Perceptions exist because objects exist that can be processed by our senses. In either case, the object remains outside the mind. The object is part of objective reality. The object exists with or without the individual processing it. Perceptions of objects are unique to any given individual. They only exist if a given individual exists to process objects. Perceptions can enter the mind, but the reality that allows individual perceptions of it, e.g subjective reality, must remain outside the mind. And this same reality - when it undergoes collective standardization - is called objective reality. Both subjective and objective reality remain outside the mind as objects, respectively, as dependent and independent objects.

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Reality exists outside the mind.

Avoiding Mind = Avoiding Reality


False premise. Mind is not reality. That is a false assumption and leads to a false equation.

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The SOS-obedient navigate around the pursuit of reality as if it were a softly snoring elephant in the middle of the room. Besides, everything that is wrong with the world can be attributed to a shade of sociopathy. And anything that can’t be attributed to sociopathy does not matter. So the pursuit of reality is unnecessary for this mindset. As for the elephant, any time it attempts to wake up, it is tranquilized again. A snoring elephant is audio-friendly and a roaring one is not. Out of sound, out of mind.


“The pursuit of reality is a softly snoring elephant in the middle of the room.” Yes, that would be the little baby elephant just having its afternoon nap whilst surrounded by its herd. :)


Baby elephants become big elephants if allowed to mature. Mature elephants can then only be subdued with chains and shock prods.

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So the pursuit of reality is unnecessary for this mindset.

The pursuit of reality (i.e. the mindsets that create reality) is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY for this mindset :lol:


Then why is this mindset in contempt of it, e.g. by shifting course to the pursuit of fantasy?

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…because it offers multiple forms and multiple avenues of resistance against the establishment of fact…
Reality exists outside the mind.


What you are really saying Zook is that your mind’s interpretation of “established factual reality” should be unequivocally sanctioned to exist for the minds of everyone else . . . well, at the very least, all those that don’t agree with your determinations.


No Gemma. I'm suggesting you re-inspect your own premises and see where the tracks detoured off the pursit of reality.

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Thanks for your analytical offer of Reality Truth Seeking Salvation . . . but I’ll pass.


Salvation is your coinage. I'm not here to save souls and/or redirect them towards sundry fantasia. I'm here to point to existing provable facts when and where I find them.


Pax

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