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Failure to recognize human frailty ...
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A Nony Mouse
Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:36 am Posts: 344 Location: Gypsyville
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Re: Failure to recognize human frailty ...
'We don' need no stinkin' proof'. Celine just needs to write it and that's all the proof we require Richard because you are all about integrity and your wife is all about heart. Still? Show me the proof otherwise Celine is nothing but a liar where I come from. None forthcoming? Jury is back: Celine is guilty as GW charged.
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Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:37 am |
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magamud
Joined: Wed May 18, 2011 10:33 pm Posts: 4156
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Re: Failure to recognize human frailty ...
Applying human frailty to actual wicked intent could be one of our most undoing subjects. Corruption loves being humanized......
_________________ Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.
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Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:35 am |
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dsimon3387
Joined: Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:53 am Posts: 313
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'We don' need no stinkin' proof'. Celine just needs to write it and that's all the proof we require Richard because you are all about integrity and your wife is all about heart. Still? Show me the proof otherwise Celine is nothing but a liar where I come from. None forthcoming? Jury is back: Celine is guilty as GW charged.
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Thats right!!!
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Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:44 am |
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Chicodoodoo
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Joined: Tue May 03, 2011 6:06 pm Posts: 11875
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Very good point! Non-sociopaths have empathy for sociopaths and desperately try to understand their behavior, usually by applying the emotional standards of normal people, which of course do not apply to sociopaths. When normal people are ignorant of the fact that they are dealing with sociopaths (which is usually the case), they cannot be accurate in their assessments, and sociopaths are quick to take advantage of that error and use it to their advantage!
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Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:25 am |
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magamud
Joined: Wed May 18, 2011 10:33 pm Posts: 4156
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It's a compounded problem not only does corruption like to be humanized it preys on people who dont like confrontation, as confrontation is a means to sift corruption. Everyone wants to sweep it under the carpet so to speak. From the Avalon corruption and Mirror Mirror thread it's all about putting out the fire in any way possible. When in actuality the fire is the warning. Im not sure if its a case of, the whole world is a mess leave me alone with my little corner of Utopia on the internet or its an inherited condition of being a slave. I did see a lot of people try to minimize the argument with its just a board. I think this corrupted dynamic is like our societal behaviors not going to the root of the problem, specifically with our Medicine and Economics, either just give it painkillers or give it a stimulus. Thats just one of the problems.... I saw people trying to use idealism, narcissism and the kitchen sink to quash it.
Beyond personalities, the root of the subject was the Freedom to ask questions...
_________________ Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.
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Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:47 am |
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magamud
Joined: Wed May 18, 2011 10:33 pm Posts: 4156
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Re: Failure to recognize human frailty ...
Another fascinating things with the whole Nexus rebuilding stage is people still reaching for hope. Hope that the minimal dialogue, utter lack of transparency, lab rat dynamics from the hierarchy are not there. This despite numerous in your face evidence of corruption.
If people are still reaching for this hope, it only takes minimal reassurance from the hierarchy that all is Good.
Fascinating!
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Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:02 pm |
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UncleZook
Joined: Fri May 06, 2011 5:11 pm Posts: 1400
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Re: Failure to recognize human frailty ...
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... is one of the roots of the deception here at United People, good folks.
In any random community, there will be a normal distribution of frailty, e.g human weakness. Three populations. A strong-minded population and a weak-minded population. In the middle, the average-minded population.
Map the weak minds to the thin skins ... the strong minds to the thick skins ... and the average minds to the average skins.
The slightest ad hominem against the thin skin sets them off. The thick skin is immune to most ad hominems. The average skin has a flip of the coin response to ad hominems.
That being said, most humans drift towards comfort spaces and away from conflict spaces ... and when they find the latter, they tend to walk around eggshells in this space. Strong minds are closer to robot mannerisms than are average minds; and weak minds are closer to the other extreme of human potential, e.g. prima donna mannerisms (such as exhibited by drama queens and other emotionally-invested individuals). Average minds are the most populous and, consequently, the best representations of human potential. Not too logical. Not too emotional. The perfect balance.
What is the point of this preamble?
Well, once we understand that human community runs the gamut of emotions and the gamut of logic ... it is easy to see that human frailty is a necessary, even dominating feature of human community. The hermit accommodates human frailty by forgiving himself. But how does a group member accommodate human frailty? That is the essential question that needs to be asked in order to understand human community (of any stripe).
Human community in alternative internet forums is best understood by the degree of accommodation of human frailty and the degree of intolerance to it. As is often the case, those who are greatly intolerant of something do so because they fear that something in themselves. They point fingers at external sources of human frailty because that allows them a measure of triumph over the frailty that exists inside. Alas, this triumph is hollow ... because the frailty inside is merely avoided, not conquered.
Which brings us back to Nexus and UP. The founder of UP, a strong-minded individual on the robot extreme of human potential ... fails to recognize human frailty at Nexus. To reconcile his experiences at Nexus - and with Nexus - he has instead chosen to see in Nexus a power pyramid (which, in reality, doesn't exist in any form other than a minor technical one). Incompatibilities have developed in the MOD chamber ... and the staff has navigated these incompatibilities by walking on eggshells to avoid the conflict space and embrace the comfort space.
But walking on eggshells is not evidence of a kingdom ... or a pair of potentates ruling over servants ... as Chico is eager to argue and has falsely assumed. It is merely the accommodation of human frailty by individuals who represent the most populous and best representation of human potential --------> the perfect balance of logic and emotions. By contrast, Chico represents the imbalance of the robotic extreme, pathology, abnormality, etc. Inspector Javert chasing the River Seine and jumping into it, as it were.
Which is why when he started the thread Banning For Dollars on a false assumption ... it was only a matter of time before karmic energy caught up with him. Indeed, United People has demonstrated - in the past few weeks - the very human frailties (and attending foibles) that Chico could not or would not recognize in Nexus. And now it has them and has them with interest on the principal, e.g. the ratio of weak minds to healthy minds at United People is much higher than it ever was at Nexus.
ps: To complete the thought, failure to recognize human frailty translates into failure to accommodate it.
ps2: FWIW, United People has built itself a hidden pyramid on the open plane ... whereas Nexus never had a pyramid, only incompatibilities and derivative perturbations of the plane.
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Chicodoodoo
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Re: Failure to recognize human frailty ...
_________________ It's not that we can't handle the truth. It's that they can't handle us if we know the truth.
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