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Albert Pike received a vision, which he described in a letter that he wrote to Mazzini, dated August 15, 1871.

http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm

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To date, no conclusive proof exists to show that this letter was ever written.

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and we can marvel at how accurately it has predicted events that have already taken place.

Did I get that right? We can marvel at how accurately a letter, that we don't even know was written, predicted events that have already taken place?

Am I the only one that sees a problem here?

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I was not using the Mazzini letters as proof, much like the Protocols of Zion, same thing. I was using this association to possibly show that this empire was planned centuries ago.

I found this on a Pro Mason website
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/pike_mazzini.html
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Pike and Mazzini


Yet another fabrication—often repeated by anti-masons and conspiracy theorists—is the claim that Albert Pike was in correspondence with Giusseppe Mazzini. First claimed by Edith Starr Miller, the accusation was later repeated by William Guy Carr, who cited Cardinal Caro y Rodriguez of Santiago, Chile, author of The Mystery of Freemasonry Unveiled. In Pawns in the Game Carr claims that this correspondence was on display in the British Museum but didn't provide the source of his information. Later, in Satan, Prince of this World, Carr includes the following footnote:
"The Keeper of Manuscripts recently informed the author that this letter is NOT catalogued in the British Museum Library. It seems strange that a man of Cardinal Rodriguez's knowledge should have said that it WAS in 1925".
In fact, the accusation—although not the specifics— can be traced to the earlier writings of the self-confessed hoaxsters Domenico Margiotta and Leo Taxil. There is no evidence that any correspondence ever existed. The British Museum has recently confirmed in writing to researcher Michael Haupt that such a document has never been in their possession. 1


A little balance for your objective view, but my percentage of certainty is quite high in longstanding Ruling Families. Much more info to be mined im sure...
Does that fix your problem a little bit?

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I was not using the Mazzini letters as proof, much like the Protocols of Zion, same thing. I was using this association to possibly show that this empire was planned centuries ago.

Right. My post wasn't meant as a criticism of you or your idea, but as a criticism of the legitimacy of using the Mazzini letter to confirm the accuracy of past predictions, when there is no proof that the letter is genuine or even exists.

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No problemo, thanks for the integrity check.
Here is, I think, the original Debunking source.

Albert Pike to Mazzini, August 15, 1871: Three World Wars?
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Articles/Pike-Mazzini_Three-World-Wars.htm

Interesting take from a Charlatan. Some things do not change...
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Taxil, for his part, had admitted in typical form:

"The public made me what I am; the arch-liar of the period," confessed Taxil, "for when I first commenced to write against the Masons my object was amusement pure and simple. The crimes I laid at their door were so grotesque, so impossible, so widely exaggerated, I thought everybody would see the joke and give me credit for originating a new line of humor. But my readers wouldn't have it so; they accepted my fables as gospel truth, and the more I lied for the purpose of showing that I lied, the more convinced became they that I was a paragon of veracity.

"Then it dawned upon me that there was lots of money in being a Munchausen of the right kind, and for twelve years I gave it to them hot and strong, but never too hot. When inditing such slush as the story of the devil snake who wrote prophecies on Diana's back with the end of his tail, I sometimes said to myself: 'Hold on, you are going too far,' but I didn't. My readers even took kindly to the yarn of the devil who, in order to marry a Mason, transformed himself into a crocodile, and, despite the masquerade, played the piano wonderfully well.

"One day when lecturing at Lille, I told my audience that I had just had an apparition of Nautilus, the most daring affront on human credulity I had so far risked. But my hearers never turned a hair. 'Hear ye, the doctor has seen Nautulius,' they said with admiring glances. Of course no one had a clear idea of who Nautilus was I didn't myself but they assumed that he was a devil. Ah, the jolly evenings I spent with my fellow authors hatching out new plots, new, unheard of perversions of truth and logic, each trying to outdo the other in organized mystification. I thought I would kill myself laughing at some of the things proposed, but everything went; there is no limit to human stupidity."

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Its quite interesting this dynamic of the Message and the Messenger. It appears William Guy's book Pawns in the Game, sources this letter and focuses his Thesis on the subject matter. Now knowing that this letter is a high probability of being a Fraud, the words still ring true. Maybe much like our Movies or General entertainment being fake but ringing true.
Interesting times.


William Guy Carr
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Guy_Carr
More info here to research the authenticity of the Three world wars...


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The reference Terry Melanson gives a good treatment to the three world war theory. Michael Haupt had taken the three world war theory from the introduction of Carr's Pawns in the Game(1958). This introduction outlines a plan that Carr attributes to Pike, but not to the letter from Pike to Mazzini. Only the last section of the three world war plan in Haupt's text is a quote attributed to the letter from Pike to Mazzini. This quote is virtually identical to the one in Rodrique's book and it can be traced to the book Le diable au XIXe siècle (1894) by Gabriel Jagond-Pager aka Leo Taxil, where it is claimed to be from a letter of Pike to Mazzini written in 1871. This quote was later considered to describe the Bolshevik revolution, but whether a hoax or not, it predates 1917. The book of Jagond-Pager is enlisted in the British Museum, which is what Rodrigues meant by his statement, and it contains the full letter be it hoax or not. The plan attributed to Pike is also described in part in Le Palladisme by Margiotta (see Margiotta) and it seems to describe the same plan as in Jagond-Pager's book, so possible that in this case the famous hoaxer Leo Taxil actually refers to some existing letter, but Dominico Margiotta may be another pseudoname of Jacond-Pager. There is nothing of the three world war plan in this letter, and nothing especially prophetic, it simply describes a Freemasonry plan to overthrow all religions.

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It never ceases to amaze me. What Galloway says about the Jewish community is absolutely spot on and people just do not know this. My family (grandparents) Were Jewish communists in new York and There was a large majority consensus of Jews who were secular and not Zionists. Most people fail to see that Zionism was a fringe movement, many Jews like my grandfather (Sam Simon) were communists/marxists at times who wanted people here in the USA (Brooklyn NY) to make a decent wage, have enough to eat and to have a strong union.

And I may add that the sons of these Jews (like my father and uncle) were the Jews who went to fight in the second world war (dad was a marine uncle Gabby an airforce pilot) and... many of their adult children were the jews who went to places like Mississippi to fight with the blacks for civil rights. So these jews became citizens and most of the ones that could not cut it decided to leave the cities and make a go at it in Israel....thats where a good deal of these settlers came from. In other words the fuck ups. Zionism depends on these types for their country....And these people are encouraged to settle...it drives me nuts, it s truly an injustice.


Great post David n an interesting take on how these psychos manage to pull this crap off so easily.

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"Then it dawned upon me that there was lots of money in being a Munchausen of the right kind, and for twelve years I gave it to them hot and strong, but never too hot. When inditing such slush as the story of the devil snake who wrote prophecies on Diana's back with the end of his tail, I sometimes said to myself: 'Hold on, you are going too far,' but I didn't. My readers even took kindly to the yarn of the devil who, in order to marry a Mason, transformed himself into a crocodile, and, despite the masquerade, played the piano wonderfully well.

"One day when lecturing at Lille, I told my audience that I had just had an apparition of Nautilus, the most daring affront on human credulity I had so far risked. But my hearers never turned a hair. 'Hear ye, the doctor has seen Nautulius,' they said with admiring glances. Of course no one had a clear idea of who Nautilus was I didn't myself but they assumed that he was a devil. Ah, the jolly evenings I spent with my fellow authors hatching out new plots, new, unheard of perversions of truth and logic, each trying to outdo the other in organized mystification. I thought I would kill myself laughing at some of the things proposed, but everything went; there is no limit to human stupidity."

Thanks for the links magamud and I love this story!

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Is Hillary Clinton A Zionist Shill?


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Listen to the heroes of Israel

I phoned Rami Elhanan the other day. We had not spoken for six years and much has happened in Israel and Palestine. Rami is an Israeli graphic designer who lives with his family in Jerusalem. His father survived Auschwitz. His grandparents and six aunts and uncles perished in the Holocaust. Whenever I am asked about heroes, I say Rami and his wife, Nurit, without hesitation.

Soon after we met, Rami gave me a home videotape that was difficult to watch. It shows his daughter Smadar, aged 14, throwing her head back, laughing and playing the piano. "She loved to dance," he said. On the afternoon of 4 September 1997, Smadar and her best friend, Sivane, had auditions for admission to a dance school. She had argued that morning with her mother, who was anxious about her going to the centre of Jerusalem. "I didn't want to row," said Nurit, "so I let her go."

Rami was in his car when he turned on the radio to catch the three o'clock news. There had been a suicide bombing in Ben Yehuda shopping precinct. More than 200 people were injured and several were dead. Within minutes, his mobile phone rang. It was Nurit, crying. They searched the hospitals in vain, then the morgue; and so began, as Rami describes it, their "descent into darkness". [Read more...]

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The Albert Pike vision that I commented on in the past showed up again today in the alternate news. This is worrying because I see it being used as predictive programming, i.e. a preparatory set-up to make us accept the brainwashing that is coming down the pike (pun not intended but probably relevant). That brainwashing will be the fake justification needed to get us to fight World War III.

But in this latest version of the Albert Pike vision, we have additional reason to suspect predictive programming. The vision supposedly occurred in 1871, but Nazism and Zionism are mentioned by name, which is problematic. Zionism as a term supposedly didn't exist until 20 years later, and Hitler's Nationalist Socialist party was still 50 years in the future. And here is the "explanation" given to put our minds at ease about this mystery:

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(Readers who argue that the terms Nazism and Zionism were not known in 1871 should remember that the Illuminati invented both these movements. In addition, Communism as an ideology, and as a coined phrase, originates in France during the Revolution. In 1785, Restif coined the phrase four years before revolution broke out. Restif and Babeuf, in turn, were influenced by Rousseau - as was the most famous conspirator of them all, Adam Weishaupt.) -- source

So if we simply "remember" that the Illuminati invented both the Zionist and National Socialist movements, it explains how the names of these movements would be recorded by Albert Pike in 1871. Oh, really ...

I think I need evidence for that invention by the Illuminati of those two future movements, as well as the creation of two unique and specialized words to describe those movements decades before they existed. This would work better for me than simply creating a memory of it.

It gets worse. "In addition", as if the first bogus argument is enough to be irrefutable, we have a second even more tenuous argument about the word "communism" originating four years before the French Revolution broke out, implying that the French Revolution was a communist movement and could be formerly named prior to the movement starting. And we have some famous people influenced by some other famous people, which explains how unique names like Nazism and Zionism can be recorded decades before they have any meaning.

Uh huh.

I propose that Albert Pike's alleged vision predicting the future is a fake precisely because modern terms were included in it that would not have existed in 1871. Instead, the prediction was created after WWI and WWII were already historical certainties. The retarded arguments given to justify the time-line anomaly simply don't cut it.

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