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This quote is crucial to assessing the quality of Chico's evaluation of psychologies.

Chico is a psychological gamer. The bulk of his counterarguments - when someone makes superior arguments to his own - is to attack the psychology of that someone. Usually, that someone has been yours truly, but he has also used this tactic on practically everyone that has posited superior arguments to his own, and in some cases, merely disagreed with him. The archives hold it. Indeed, it is from those very archives that I retrieve the quotation that headlines this thread.

So without further ado, let's explore the merit of Chico's quotation.

For starters, did Hitler actually make the following quote: "Conscience is a Jewish invention."? An individual named Raushning claims that Hitler made the remark (during their private conversations). Whether Hitler actually made the remark verbatim is not that important ... because the Nazi party and Hitler both held to the adage, "the end justifies the means". That much is evident by their actions throughout the Third Reich. But the end justifies the means meme is hardly conscientious. Winning at all costs is not a championship of conscience or of the virtuous ... rather, it's one of the more common vices, or corruptions of the soul.

But if Hitler did make the remark: "Conscience is a Jewish invention." Then we don't need to attach meaning to it. The meaning is self-evident. Hitler derogates conscience. No ifs, ands, or buts. In which case Hitler cannot be an empath, because empathy is an extension of conscience. So there are two choices left. Hitler is either a nonempath, e.g. one who is indifferent to the sufferings of others ... or he is a sociopath, e.g. one who is either indifferent or who enjoys the sufferings of others.

I submit that the evidence is overwhelming that Hitler was indifferent to the sufferings of others ... as he sent millions to crowded concentration camps (where disease and starvation took over) ... as he sent his own soldiers to Moscow against the better advice of his generals who understood the futility of such a move and the grave consequences it posed to the German army. Hitler moved men around like pawns to be sacrificed in the expansion of his projected new empire. He was not interested in defending the German homeland ... but in offending other people's homelands. Nothing new here. Psychopaths feeding on their own megalomania have ravaged many a nation in the long trek of human history, not least their own nation.

But here's more on Hitler in his own words in excerpts taken from Mein Kampf:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm

I soon realized that the correct use of propaganda is a true art which has remained practically unknown to the bourgeois parties. Only the Christian-Social movement, especially in Lueger's time achieved a certain virtuosity on this instrument, to which it owed many of its success.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)


More than once I was tormented by the thought that if Providence had put me in the place of the incapable of criminal incompetents or scoundrels in our propaganda service, our battle with Destiny would have taken a different turn.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Here, of course, we encounter the objection of the modern pacifist, as truly Jewish in its effrontery as it is stupid! 'Man's role is to overcome Nature!'
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)


In the three excerpts above, we not only find a dedicated manipulator (who views propaganda not with contempt, but as an artform) ... but we also see Hitler's implied desire to return man to the primitive lands and laws of Nature. By another name, the jungle paradigm where the mightiest rule and all others must defer to the mightiest. To wit, Hitler wants to redesign human civilization by bringing it closer to the instinctive, amoral, survivalist system of the jungle.

Of course, an absence of morality is a top plank in the "end justifies the means" meme and mob ... not to mention one of the key ingredients in the making of a sociopath.


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Post Re: "Hitler is no madman. He's not even a sociopath." - Chi
UncleZook wrote:
This quote is crucial to assessing the quality of Chico's evaluation of psychologies.

Pretend the messenger is already dead, Zook. Turn your attention to the message.

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But if Hitler did make the remark: "Conscience is a Jewish invention." Then we don't need to attach meaning to it. The meaning is self-evident.

Very poor assumption. Context is critical when assessing meaning to any quote. You don't know the context here. You don't know what Hitler was trying to convey. You just assume you do. Who is the gamer here?

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I submit that the evidence is overwhelming that Hitler was indifferent to the sufferings of others ... as he sent millions to crowded concentration camps (where disease and starvation took over) ... as he sent his own soldiers to Moscow against the better advice of his generals who understood the futility of such a move and the grave consequences it posed to the German army. Hitler moved men around like pawns to be sacrificed in the expansion of his projected new empire. He was not interested in defending the German homeland ... but in offending other people's homelands. Nothing new here. Psychopaths feeding on their own megalomania have ravaged many a nation in the long trek of human history, not least their own nation.

This argument is so deceptive and manipulative that a genuine sociopath would wield it like a sword. As you have. As have the Zionists. But you really don't know what you are talking about. You are just spouting the propaganda that you have been fed. Great efforts were made in the camps to keep the workers well fed and disease free. Heads were shaved to keep lice from breeding and spreading typhus. Gas chambers were added to the camps to fumigate clothes using Zyklon B. There were hospitals in the camps that even the German military used. Hitler was just a puppet, you have said, but now you place all responsibility for all decisions into his hands. You ignore the responsibility the other generals and department heads had in formulating German actions. You oversimplify to an extreme. You ignore Hitler's decision to allow the English and French an exit at Dunkirk when he could have crushed them with ease, as any psychopath would have done. You ignore the real reasons that Germany attacked Russia. They had no choice. German spies had discovered Russia's intent and massive preparations to invade Germany, betraying the alliance (typical of Stalin's real psychopathy). All you can do is parrot the propaganda, Zook, as if it is the true story. You reinforce your own brainwashing like an idiot, when it benefits your game. It's so absurd.

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In the three excerpts above, we not only find a dedicated manipulator (who views propaganda not with contempt, but as an artform) ...

Accusing your opponents of your own malfeasance. What a surprise...

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UncleZook wrote:
This quote is crucial to assessing the quality of Chico's evaluation of psychologies.

Pretend the messenger is already dead, Zook. Turn your attention to the message.


Take your own advice, Chico ... your hypocrisy is robbing the atmosphere of its oxygen.

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But if Hitler did make the remark: "Conscience is a Jewish invention." Then we don't need to attach meaning to it. The meaning is self-evident.

Very poor assumption. Context is critical when assessing meaning to any quote. You don't know the context here. You don't know what Hitler was trying to convey. You just assume you do. Who is the gamer here?


I gave you oodles of context in this and other threads (Lebensraum and ill-advised march onto Moscow in pursuit of it, cramped boxcar rides to cramped concentration camps, quotes from Mein Kampf, quotes from the video that shows a megalomaniac identifying himself and his Messianic mission, his chickenshit escape to Argentina as he deserted the German people to save himself and the enormous view of himself, etc.).

The assumption is an excellent one, but leave it to a deceiver like yourself to pretend that the assumption is unwarranted. You're projecting your propensity for stripping context onto me, who has a tendency to do the opposite. Just more deception on your part ... so what else is new?

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I submit that the evidence is overwhelming that Hitler was indifferent to the sufferings of others ... as he sent millions to crowded concentration camps (where disease and starvation took over) ... as he sent his own soldiers to Moscow against the better advice of his generals who understood the futility of such a move and the grave consequences it posed to the German army. Hitler moved men around like pawns to be sacrificed in the expansion of his projected new empire. He was not interested in defending the German homeland ... but in offending other people's homelands. Nothing new here. Psychopaths feeding on their own megalomania have ravaged many a nation in the long trek of human history, not least their own nation.

This argument is so deceptive and manipulative that a genuine sociopath would wield it like a sword. As you have. As have the Zionists. But you really don't know what you are talking about. You are just spouting the propaganda that you have been fed. Great efforts were made in the camps to keep the workers well fed and disease free. Heads were shaved to keep lice from breeding and spreading typhus. Gas chambers were added to the camps to fumigate clothes using Zyklon B. There were hospitals in the camps that even the German military used. Hitler was just a puppet, you have said, but now you place all responsibility for all decisions into his hands. You ignore the responsibility the other generals and department heads had in formulating German actions. You oversimplify to an extreme. You ignore Hitler's decision to allow the English and French an exit at Dunkirk when he could have crushed them with ease, as any psychopath would have done.


What a load of tosh you present.

I fully reject mainstream propaganda ... and I fully reject attempts to reinvent Hitler's image by the cupids who want to believe in a false hero. That has been my position all along.

As for your deceptions, let's see ...

One, I mentioned boxcars and cramped concentration camps and starvation and disease ... all factual observations. I did not mention gas chambers or the exact use of Zyklon B - you did - no doubt to throw confusion into the mix and attach my arguments to the lies and deceptions of the mainstream media, which has indeed used Zyklon B, gas chambers, and the "6 million Jews" figure as shibboleths to scare off genuine research. Typical manipulation of narrative (and the attending lies and gameplaying) that we have come to expect from you, Chico.

Two, I explained in another thread that Hitler was a puppet of the moneymasters and that he retreated from Dunkirk not because of empathy for the Allied Forces but in keeping with the criminal banksters' gameplan of creating and maintaining a war theatre in Europe (Norman Dodd's exposee of CEIFP 1909) from which to extract a new order in Europe ... the Allied Forces were predetermined to lead this new order ... so Hitler instead of vanquishing them at Dunkirk and effectively ending the war and saving future loss of life, carried out his financiers' missive of prolonging the war because WAR is PROFIT for the bankstering class. That he subsequently opened up an Eastern Front against the Russians and against the advice of his own generals, was an effort to prolong the war even if it meant sacrificing his own men in the process. Classic psychopathic behavior.

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You ignore the real reasons that Germany attacked Russia. They had no choice. German spies had discovered Russia's intent and massive preparations to invade Germany, betraying the alliance (typical of Stalin's real psychopathy). All you can do is parrot the propaganda, Zook, as if it is the true story. You reinforce your own brainwashing like an idiot, when it benefits your game. It's so absurd.


Yes, shoot first and then blame the enemy of starting the conflict with prepared explanations ... kinda reminds you of the Golan Heights and Begin's deceptive methods of stealing it from the Syrians (another reason that Israel is attacking Syria under the guise of ISIS these days, to consolidate the Golan Heights). Or the June War that Israel started in 1967 by firing the first bullets under the fallacious argument of national security.

FWIW, Operation Barbarossa was within Hitler's mindset well before it was actually executed with devastating results for the invader. It was just an extension of Lebensraum that Hitler had formulated back in 1925 (in Mein Kampf). So that considerably weakens any argument that Hitler saw Russia as an imminent threat on the Eastern Front. Once again, Hitler was working for the corporate interests of the Jewish banksters and industrialists. And Operation Barbarossa served that agenda by opening up yet another warzone. WAR is PROFIT.

Psychopath versus psychopath ... is the honest way of describing Hitler vs Stalin. But the cupids want a fairytale, so they insist on reinventing the legacy of Hitler by rewriting the factual narrative of that period in history, e.g. until it suits their purpose.

Want more proof of contrived alternative stream pro-Hitler and contrived mainstream con-Hitler narratives? Hitler's natural death in Argentina could not have occurred under either the mainstream's or Chico's understanding of Nazi Germany.


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In the three excerpts above, we not only find a dedicated manipulator (who views propaganda not with contempt, but as an artform) ...

Accusing your opponents of your own malfeasance. What a surprise...


It's interesting that you refuse to examine Hitler's own words.

Once again, refute the three quotations from Mein Kampf. And if you can't, then refute the implications of those quotations (which strongly establish the musings of an above-threshold megalomaniac, e.g. a psychopath).

Out of curiosity, Chico, do you see propaganda as an artform like Hitler does? That would explain your lies and deceptions over the bulk of this forum's existence.

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Post Re: "Hitler is no madman. He's not even a sociopath." - Chi
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I gave you oodles of context in this and other threads (Lebensraum and ill-advised march onto Moscow in pursuit of it, cramped boxcar rides to cramped concentration camps, quotes from Mein Kampf, quotes from the video that shows a megalomaniac identifying himself and his Messianic mission, his chickenshit escape to Argentina as he deserted the German people to save himself and the enormous view of himself, etc.).

You think that is the correct context for that particular one-liner ("Conscience is a Jewish invention.")? No, you need the immediate context that was in Hitler's mind when he made that statement and any surrounding supporting statements. Was he saying only Jews have a conscience, and other people don't? Was he saying that what Jews call conscience is biased religious dogma? Was he saying Jews define conscience however they like to best serve their interests? Was he saying Jews take credit for inventing conscience, as if only Jews know what conscience is? Was he being sarcastic? Was he making fun of the Jews? Was he pointing out how deceptive and dangerous Jews as a group could be?

Tell us, Zook. What was Hitler really trying to communicate with that particular statement?

I really shouldn't argue with you, Zook. "Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." -- George Carlin

UncleZook wrote:
I fully reject mainstream propaganda ... and I fully reject attempts to reinvent Hitler's image by the cupids who want to believe in a false hero.

:face: Mainstream propaganda, which you claim to reject, is that Hitler is a vile, murdering psychopath who is the epitome of evil.

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One, I mentioned boxcars and cramped concentration camps and starvation and disease ... all factual observations. I did not mention gas chambers or the exact use of Zyklon B - you did - no doubt to throw confusion into the mix...

You implied that the monstrous Hitler sent people to the camps to mistreat them with deliberately overcrowded conditions, deliberate starvation, and deliberate exposure to disease. This is not true, which you would understand if you could only follow Reynouard's exhaustive research which he lays out in his numerous videos.

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Two, I explained in another thread that Hitler was a puppet of the moneymasters and that he retreated from Dunkirk not because of empathy for the Allied Forces but in keeping with the criminal banksters' gameplan of creating and maintaining a war theatre in Europe (Norman Dodd's exposee of CEIFP 1909) from which to extract a new order in Europe ... the Allied Forces were predetermined to lead this new order ... so Hitler instead of vanquishing them at Dunkirk and effectively ending the war and saving future loss of life, carried out his financiers' missive of prolonging the war because WAR is PROFIT for the bankstering class. That he subsequently opened up an Eastern Front against the Russians and against the advice of his own generals, was an effort to prolong the war even if it meant sacrificing his own men in the process. Classic psychopathic behavior.

Ridiculous story, bro. So Hitler was a complete puppet of the banksters. The banksters just wanted to prolong the war for profit, thus Hitler is not allowed to win, because the Allies are to be the pre-determined winners, once the banksters make enough profit. Oversimplification at its best, Zook! You must be very proud. :face:

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Yes, shoot first and then blame the enemy of starting the conflict with prepared explanations ...

Oh, so that's what happened! It (Germany invading Russia) wasn't an act of desperate self-defense, it was a pre-planned (in 1925 no less, 16 years earlier while Hitler was in jail) action that would lose the war and devastate all of Germany, though a less severe winter might have seen Stalin defeated with brilliant ease. But the banksters wouldn't want that, for it might prolong the war! :face:

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Psychopath versus psychopath ... is the honest way of describing Hitler vs Stalin. But the cupids want a fairytale, so they insist on reinventing the legacy of Hitler by rewriting the factual narrative of that period in history, e.g. until it suits their purpose.

We've got some cupids out there all right, but the question is, is it you, or is it me? :lol:

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Want more proof of contrived alternative stream pro-Hitler and contrived mainstream con-Hitler narratives?

No. Please no. You are just beating yourself to a pulp!

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Hitler's natural death in Argentina could not have occurred under either the mainstream's or Chico's understanding of Nazi Germany.

:face:

Well, do tell. Knock yourself out.

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This post should be referenced in this thread, due to its relevance. Zook accuses me of utter ignorance in this thread for determining that Hitler was no madman, and even worse, that Hitler was not even a sociopath! Such sacrilege, especially coming from Chico, who flings the "sociopath" word about with seemingly wild abandon, even applying it to our chivalrous knight in shining armor, beloved UncleZook!

Well, the dynamic involved in Zook's attack is explained succinctly in that referenced post. All criticisms and critiques of my perspective in that post are certainly welcome.

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If the Holocaust was a massive lie, then practically all of the evil attributed to Hitler vanishes, and instead finds a new home in the hearts and minds of sociopathic Jewish interests orchestrating events from the shadows. Sociopaths accuse their opponents of their own malfeasance. You will note that for the last 68 years the Israeli leaders have treated the Palestinians very much along the lines of how they accused Hitler of treating the Jews in Nazi Germany. This would suggest the sociopaths are in Israel, and were not in Nazi Germany.

So a critical key to evaluating the psychological state of Hitler is to understand the truth of the Holocaust. This is not a simple task, as laws have been written and are exercised to punish those who would investigate that truth. This is clearly an enormous red flag, as the truth does not require the protection of the law. Right from the start, something is very fishy.

It was from deep investigation into the official Holocaust story that I began to wonder if Hitler had been framed by the rewriting of history, something the victors are consistently accused of doing -- "History is written by the victors."

The question of whether Hitler was a sociopath or not hangs foremost on the veracity of the Holocaust story about 6 million Jews being gassed to death in extermination camps. And that story has been shown to be a deliberately constructed lie about actual events that were twisted completely out of proportion.

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Proponents of the official storyline say that some of the strongest evidence that “proves” the Holocaust—i.e. the systematic extermination of 6 million Jews in gas chambers on the instructions of Hitler—consists of the supposed “confessions” of the German officials who were put on trial at Nuremberg. What they neglect to tell you is that most of these confessions were obtained under extreme torture. Indeed, according to Jewish investigator John Sack, torture was often practiced for its own sake, even when there was nothing to find out. It was practiced for sheer pleasure: because it gave the torturers a ‘high’, a feeling of sadistic omnipotence, of orgasmic euphoria. -- source

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*BUMP*

From my opening post of September 30 of 2015 (as pertains to the thread topic quotation):
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For starters, did Hitler actually make the following quote: "Conscience is a Jewish invention."? An individual named Raushning claims that Hitler made the remark (during their private conversations). Whether Hitler actually made the remark verbatim is not that important ... because the Nazi party and Hitler both held to the adage, "the end justifies the means". That much is evident by their actions throughout the Third Reich. But the end justifies the means meme is hardly conscientious. Winning at all costs is not a championship of conscience or of the virtuous ... rather, it's one of the more common vices, or corruptions of the soul.

But if Hitler did make the remark: "Conscience is a Jewish invention." Then we don't need to attach meaning to it. The meaning is self-evident. Hitler derogates conscience. No ifs, ands, or buts. In which case Hitler cannot be an empath, because empathy is an extension of conscience. So there are two choices left. Hitler is either a nonempath, e.g. one who is indifferent to the sufferings of others ... or he is a sociopath, e.g. one who is either indifferent or who enjoys the sufferings of others.

I submit that the evidence is overwhelming that Hitler was indifferent to the sufferings of others ... as he sent millions to crowded concentration camps (where disease and starvation took over) ... as he sent his own soldiers to Moscow against the better advice of his generals who understood the futility of such a move and the grave consequences it posed to the German army. Hitler moved men around like pawns to be sacrificed in the expansion of his projected new empire. He was not interested in defending the German homeland ... but in offending other people's homelands. Nothing new here. Psychopaths feeding on their own megalomania have ravaged many a nation in the long trek of human history, not least their own nation.


Chico has claimed on numerous occasions that Hitler is an empath.

But my opening post itself contains reference to Hitler's belittling of conscience ... basically calling conscience a Jewish invention, an invention by the people he purportedly reviled. The notion of a purported empath explicitly distancing themselves from the essence called conscience - is patently absurd - and is just one more item in the preponderance of Hitler as a conscienceless being.

At least 2 of the 4 descriptive classes in the 4-class modeling of psychological natures: sociopaths, nonsociopaths, empaths, and nonempaths ... are distal to the essence of conscience. Conscience is severely diminished and for all intents and comparative purposes, lacking, in both the nonempaths (who are as cold as Plutonian ice and who are indifferent to the suffering of others) and sociopaths (who are as hot as the stones in Hades and who enjoy the suffering of others). These two psychological classes are noticeably lacking in conscience. So is Hitler, who derides conscience. So Hitler belongs to one of these two classes: nonempaths or sociopaths. Conversely, Hitler does not belong in either of the two remaining classes: nonsociopaths or empaths ... both of which respect conscience.

Checkmate.

Chico's only chance now is to dissociate the link between Hitler with the quote "Conscience is a Jewish invention."
No doubt he will try ... in contempt of the rest of the preponderance against Hitler.


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Chico has claimed on numerous occasions that Hitler is an empath.

"Twist and shout" as always, huh Zook. I believe I said Hitler was not a sociopath, i.e. he was a non-sociopath. I never said he was an "empath". I already told you that I avoid the word "empath". ( 1 2 3 )

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Checkmate. Chico's only chance now is to dissociate the link between Hitler with the quote "Conscience is a Jewish invention."
No doubt he will try ...

That was a tough prediction to make, huh Zook, since I already responded to your idiocy in just such a way. Those questions concerning context still stand unanswered by you, sociopathic deceiver that you are.

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Chico is indeed a drunk. His favorite drink is sociopathy. His drunken stagger is that he keeps knocking people down (people with whom he's had run-ins with the past for sundry reasons) with the tarbrush and shibboleth of "Sociopath!". Virtually all the threads that Chico participates in (no matter who creates them) eventually end up reeking of his favorite alcohol. I don't remember creating many threads on this forum, indeed, the only one that comes to mind is "Was Hitler a sociopath?"

The following is the link address to the last post on that thread:
http://www.inphinet.net/threads/was-hit ... #post-5270

No surprise here. Chico scuttles the thread and in his last post he abuses the thread creator (yours truly) with yet another unprovoked jibe. -- source

Yes, Zook had a continuation of this thread at Inphinet.net pursuing the same ridicule of Chico, that drunk who had the interminable gall to assess Adolf Hitler as a non-sociopath while providing evidence that UncleZook was not quite as lucky.

Alas, that entire thread is no longer visible to the public, despite many posts containing valuable information concerning the psychology of one of the most influential men of the 20th century.

I suspect administrator Rose censored the entire thread. She is a quiet supporter of the Holocaust Lie, and it is important for such supporters to believe Hitler was a psychopathic madman. Denying Hitler was a psychopathic madman is like denying the Holocaust, in the eyes of the brainwashed. They see it as hate speech, anti-Semitic, racist, discriminatory, and outright blasphemy. No Holocaust supporter can tolerate such behavior and will often treat any violator to discriminatory hate speech and some choice blasphemies! In fact, in 17 countries, denying these specific lies will get you thrown in prison. Moral: Free speech can cost you dearly.

So it is very disappointing to see that Rose censors what she doesn't like. Forum administrators are not a very tolerant lot, it would seem, when that is exactly what they need to be. So my apologies, Zook, that your posts in the one thread you started at Inphinet have been censored. It's somewhat my fault, as I'm sure Rose objected to my posts much more than yours, but all ended up being tossed. The silver lining is that we have seen Rose's true colors when it comes to freedom of speech. Live and learn.

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"Hitler is no madman. He's not even a sociopath." - Chico
This quote is crucial to assessing the quality of Chico's evaluation of psychologies.

Poor old Zook. Mr. Discernment himself couldn't recognize his own brainwashing. For Zook, Hitler was a madman and a sociopath. Why? Because that's what we are taught to believe. All of us. Even me. And I believed it for most of my life because I never bothered to question it. But questioning it was just the beginning, because that requires you to investigate. Investigating is the hard part. It takes time and effort. It takes diligence and patience. And it takes discernment. Like Lady Justice, you must blindfold your eyes, remove the bias of appearances, and weigh in the balance the available evidence. And you must do it over and over again, never forgetting that new evidence can tip the scales unexpectedly.

This one is for you, Zook.


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