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... forgery as claimed by the mainstream establishment that has consistently lied to us?

Or authentic?

The narrative of forgery:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protoc ... rs_of_Zion

The narrative of authenticity:
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm


IMO, the evidence of the bankster empire, its default Zionist chameleon, Bilderbergers, IMF, World Bank, the attempt at full spectrum dominance, etc. ... speaks volumes.


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Good post Zook. There is such a huge influence it could be an encyclopedia. Teutoniç Zionism?

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I don't have any desire to read these "protocols" again. It was clear to me on the first reading that this missive catered to very sick sociopathic minds, devoid of empathy. Whether it is genuine or not has little meaning to me. It is enough to know that sociopaths exist and continually plot against humanity. Whether those sociopaths be Zionists, Nazis, bankers, politicians, Democrats, Republicans, conservatives, liberals, or whatever label you want to hang on them matters very little. Lacking empathy, they are the morally insane that live among us. And if we are deceived enough to let them lead us, Heaven help us.

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One thing I noticed with respect to the argument of genuineness:

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All copies that were known to exist in Russia were destroyed in the Kerensky regime, and under his successors the possession of a copy by anyone in Soviet land was a crime sufficient to ensure the owner's of being shot on sight. The fact is in itself sufficient proof of the genuineness of the Protocols. -- source

That fact is in itself no proof whatsoever of genuineness. It's absurd to even make such a claim. People kill and die for beliefs that have little to no basis in reality all the time.

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Here is more context with the setup of Israel during WW2 and debunking contrast on the Protocols of Zion.
From a thread called Panic Room- Just wondering

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One thing I noticed with respect to the argument of genuineness:

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All copies that were known to exist in Russia were destroyed in the Kerensky regime, and under his successors the possession of a copy by anyone in Soviet land was a crime sufficient to ensure the owner's of being shot on sight. The fact is in itself sufficient proof of the genuineness of the Protocols. -- source

That fact is in itself no proof whatsoever of genuineness. It's absurd to even make such a claim. People kill and die for beliefs that have little to no basis in reality all the time.


Alone, it is not proof of genuineness, true enough ... but it is a valid element in the preponderance. It's absurd to call the claim absurd. The claim is quite consistent with the preponderance.

But the more important point is this, the Kerensky regime could not have been anti-Semitic (the coinage here meant in the way warped thinking has assimilated the term, e.g. to mean anti-Jewish/anti-Zionist, when most modern practitioners of the Jewish faith and culture are, in fact, not a Semitic peoples). For if it had been anti-Semitic, the regime would have endorsed the Protocols regardless of the question of authenticity.

More the further, it could be reasonably argued - from the simple shot-on-sight claim above - that Bolshevism, the larger umbrella that envelops the Kerensky regime, is a European Jewish/Zionist movement. For if Bolshevism had been anything else, say, a Russian peasant movement, then one would readily expect the Russian orthodox church to profit from the backlash the Protocols would have caused against the Talmudic Jewish synagogues and insurrection into the Russian way of life. So the Russian orthodoxy would really have no reason to quash the Protocols, much less execute people who possess copies of POTLEOZ. The only people who would have something to gain or lose by the presence of the Protocols, in the specific case, lose, are the European Jews/Zionists. To wit, the shot-on-sight claim is virtual proof that Bolshevism was being orchestrated by European Jews/Zionists.

Here, we need a new name to separate the innocent Jews (who are the majority of Jews) from the minority that is sociopathic/psychopathic, e.g. the European Jews/Zionists. The term Teutonic Zionists - as Mags alludes to - is fine with me. Teutzis, for short?

So, Chico, question begs, why would the Teutzi Bolsheviks be afraid of the Protocols to the extent that it threatens to execute people for mere possession?

Surely, the presence of forgeries is not a threat commensurate with the death penalty. Or are you implying that it is? IMO, that is patently absurd. After all, sooner or later, forgeries tend to boomerang back on the forgers. But if POTLEOZ is the genuine article(s), now that indeed would have been a viable threat to the Bolsheviks ... for genuine articles don't boomerang back to the source, nay, they vector into the target.

So one has reasonable argument when one argues that the "shot-on-sight" claim is indicative of the genuineness of the POTLEOZ. Indeed, it is absurd to suggest that the claim is absurd. The claim may not be proof in and of itself ... but it is a valid part of the preponderance ... at the very least, the claim is far from being absurd.


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UncleZook wrote:
It's absurd to call the claim absurd.
It's absurd to say it's absurd to call the claim absurd. Can you see how this ridiculousness can go on ad infinitum? There's no need for that, just as it doesn't matter if the claim is consistent with your carefully selected "preponderance". It still is not proof of genuineness, nor is it close to even being reasonable evidence.

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So, Chico, question begs, why would the Teutzi Bolsheviks be afraid of the Protocols to the extent that it threatens to execute people for mere possession?

You assume way too much. Who says they were "afraid"? Maybe they just needed an excuse to exterminate intellectuals, or anyone dissenting with their agenda. Maybe they just wanted to justify their over-reaching authority. Maybe the history you are so ready to believe never even happened. Maybe no real effort was ever made to hunt down "Protocol" carriers. Maybe some trigger-happy sociopaths with Jewish upbringing just thought it was blasphemous to expose Jewish secrets. Maybe sociopaths just didn't want non-sociopaths to be in possession of material from obviously deranged psychological deviants that might alert the public to sociopaths in general, whether the material is genuine or faked or something in between. You are working with very incomplete information here and using it to come to very firm conclusions. Huge mistake.

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So one has reasonable argument when one argues that the "shot-on-sight" claim is indicative of the genuineness of the POTLEOZ.

Not in my opinion. It is an argument, but I wouldn't call it reasonable. Whimsical might be more accurate.

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Preponderance converges towards the truth.

Prevarication diverges away from the truth.

'Nuff said.


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ps: FWIW, the preponderance is overwhelming that POTLEOZ is genuine, not least is the fact that much of what has been written in the Protocols, has come to fruition.

ps2: Next you might be arguing that Machiavelli's The Prince, too, is a forgery, Chico. You might as well.

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ps: FWIW, the preponderance is overwhelming that POTLEOZ is genuine, not least is the fact that much of what has been written in the Protocols, has come to fruition.

That was the same argument Henry Ford made in 1921, so it looks like whatever decade you want to use, the Protocols apply, so they must be "genuine". It couldn't be related to the fact that organized sociopaths rule the planet using the same basic methods that they have always employed, and that any document describing those techniques in a semi-coherent way could be labeled as genuine, could it?

All of this begs the question as to why you would like us to argue over the question of the "genuineness" of the Protocols document. Is it important for some reason, other than as a "divide and conquer" strategy used by gatekeepers? Is it not already evident that sociopaths rule by deceiving and manipulating the public, and that we need to take action to change this? Does arguing over trivial details converge on that action, or does it diverge away from that action?

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UncleZook wrote:
ps: FWIW, the preponderance is overwhelming that POTLEOZ is genuine, not least is the fact that much of what has been written in the Protocols, has come to fruition.

That was the same argument Henry Ford made in 1921, so it looks like whatever decade you want to use, the Protocols apply, so they must be "genuine". It couldn't be related to the fact that organized sociopaths rule the planet using the same basic methods that they have always employed, and that any document describing those techniques in a semi-coherent way could be labeled as genuine, could it?

All of this begs the question as to why you would like us to argue over the question of the "genuineness" of the Protocols document. Is it important for some reason, other than as a "divide and conquer" strategy used by gatekeepers? Is it not already evident that sociopaths rule by deceiving and manipulating the public, and that we need to take action to change this? Does arguing over trivial details converge on that action, or does it diverge away from that action?


It's quite simple, actually. Don't make it rocket science, Chico.

The Zionist chameleon of the bankster empire is involved with false flag terrorism throughout the world. From 9/11 ... 7/7 ... to 4/11 ... to Mumbai ... to Sendai ... etc.

Israel has 400+ nuclear weapons that it refuses to acknowledge and the ZOG nations refuse to question Israel or broach the subject.

Full spectrum dominance is a key feature of PNAC which was authored mostly by Zionists.

The "axis of evil" connection of Iraq, Iran and North Korea ... was authored by a Zionist.

Just the tip of the iceberg of Zionist chameleon bankster hegemony in preponderance.


Hey Cupid ... the Mongolians don't run the global bankster empire ... but if they did, suspicion would naturally fall on Ulan Bator, not Tel Aviv. Kapiche?

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ps: If you think that those are trivial details, Chico, or that identifying the Protocols as the progenitor of full spectrum bankster dominance, is a waste of time ... then I submit that says more about you and your lack of interest in the truth. The pattern of divergent thinking that you often exhibit over convergent evidence is little more than mindfucking with the truth. I really have to wonder where your priorities lie ... and more and more, where your allegiances lie.

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