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UncleZook wrote:
Very true.

Very true.

What's that giant sucking sound?

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The determination of lesser evil resides exclusively with the truthseekers, with the discerning truthseeker being in a better position to make that choice than the truthseeker trapped in layers of deception.

And after sucking up royally to Magamud's post in true sociopathic fashion, Zook argues here why only he is qualified to pass judgment on anything under the sun, also in true sociopathic fashion.

Still, it is a refreshing change to all the denigrating posts Zook has slung about recently with calculated abandon. :giggle:

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Still, it is a refreshing change to all the denigrating posts Zook has slung about recently with calculated abandon. :giggle:

This thread should be renamed "UncleZook EXPOSED ... by Chicododo!

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I'm beginning to think that Webster Tarpley has switched sides. I don't know if he was bought off, scared off, or threatened to be bumped off, but he's not making much sense.

Tarpley has just written that Ben Bernanke and the Federal Reserve should pay for post-Sandy reconstruction.

Here is yet another area in which US national survival depends directly on breaking the political power of the bankers.

Webster proposes the borrowing of "USD one trillion of 0% federal reconstruction loans and bond purchases with maturities between 50 and 100 years".

So we're going to break the power of the bankers by borrowing from them? I don't think so. That's like solving the debt crisis by borrowing more money.

Who will buy the bonds at 0% interest for even 30 years when the real rate of inflation is currently around 10% per year and likely to go even higher?

We need to shut down the Federal Reserve, not become dependent on it.

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I'm beginning to think that Webster Tarpley has switched sides. I don't know if he was bought off, scared off, or threatened to be bumped off, but he's not making much sense.


I read the article ... and nowhere is there any indication that he has switched sides. You really should stop smoking from the innuendo bong, Chico ... it's taking you on strange magic carpet rides.

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Tarpley has just written that Ben Bernanke and the Federal Reserve should pay for post-Sandy reconstruction.

Here is yet another area in which US national survival depends directly on breaking the political power of the bankers.

Webster proposes the borrowing of "USD one trillion of 0% federal reconstruction loans and bond purchases with maturities between 50 and 100 years".

So we're going to break the power of the bankers by borrowing from them? I don't think so. That's like solving the debt crisis by borrowing more money.


Here's what Tarpley actually wrote:
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/12/10 ... struction/

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The most rapid way to begin reconstruction is for a combination of federal, state, and local government officials, backed up by a mass movement of public opinion, to force Bernanke to open a Post-Sandy Reconstruction Credit Facility capable of providing up to USD one trillion of 0% federal reconstruction loans and bond purchases with maturities between 50 and 100 years through the existing pipelines of the Federal Emergency Management Administration and the Small Business Administration. Federal reconstruction loans can also be channeled through the remaining solvent institutions of the regional banking system, meaning that most of the Wall Street derivatives giants will not be eligible for this role.
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Your characterization of Tarpley going to the criminal banksters for relief ... is a distortion because Tarpley is arguing for just the opposite, namely, to force Bernanke out from stooging for the criminal banksters (and its derivative speculators like Soros, etc.) ... and simultaneously force Bernanke to enter into a public trust credit institution that will oversee reconstruction loans via the solvent aspects of the regional banking system.

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Who will buy the bonds at 0% interest for even 30 years when the real rate of inflation is currently around 10% per year and likely to go even higher?

We need to shut down the Federal Reserve, not become dependent on it.


We need to remove the Federal Reserve from private ownership and bring it into public trust. There will always be a need for an institution like the Federal Reserve as long as tokens are used for value exchange. Noting that, the task is to remove private ownership of the Federal Reserve, not explode it into smithereens and transfer the exploded pieces to the waste contaminant facility of history for deep ocean burial.

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We need to remove the Federal Reserve from private ownership and bring it into public trust. There will always be a need for an institution like the Federal Reserve as long as tokens are used for value exchange.

Wow. You really are naive.

There is no public trust. The public does not currently participate in government, nor can it under our current sociopathic system. Money rules, and the sociopaths control the money, and the government, and the public.

If you will only examine history prior to 1913, you will see that an institution like the Federal Reserve is not required "as long as tokens are used for value exchange".

Do you have any other nonsense you would like to post?

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We need to remove the Federal Reserve from private ownership and bring it into public trust. There will always be a need for an institution like the Federal Reserve as long as tokens are used for value exchange.

Wow. You really are naive.

There is no public trust. The public does not currently participate in government, nor can it under our current sociopathic system. Money rules, and the sociopaths control the money, and the government, and the public.


The concept of the public trust is not the same as the perfect implementation of one. You are demanding the perfect implementation of the public trust while decrying others as binary thinkers when they seek less perfect implementations. TUGPOOT semantics, if you will.


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If you will only examine history prior to 1913, you will see that an institution like the Federal Reserve is not required "as long as tokens are used for value exchange".

Do you have any other nonsense you would like to post?



Free clue: one of the functions of the Federal Reserve is to issue new notes, e.g. tokens.

Free clue 2: tokens are subject to natural and unnatural destruction resulting in insufficient circulation ... which means new tokens must be issued.

Free solution: take the issuance power away from private interests and give it to a public trust.

Free ad hominem: you're such a numNutz, TUGPOOT.

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The concept of the public trust is not the same as the perfect implementation of one. You are demanding the perfect implementation of the public trust while decrying others as binary thinkers when they seek less perfect implementations. TUGPOOT semantics, if you will.

This is a deceptive and inflammatory straw man argument, since I never "demanded the perfect implementation of the public trust".

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Free clue: one of the functions of the Federal Reserve is to issue new notes, e.g. tokens.

You are definitely uninformed here. That's why the Department of Treasury was originally created.

"The Treasury prints and mints all paper currency and coins in circulation through the Bureau of Engraving and Printing and the United States Mint." -- source

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Free solution: take the issuance power away from private interests and give it to a public trust.

Been there, done that (twice). It didn't work. Well done, Einstein.

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Free ad hominem: you're such a numNutz, TUGPOOT.

"A flamer is one who contributes nothing but uninformative ad hominem bickering." -- source

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The concept of the public trust is not the same as the perfect implementation of one. You are demanding the perfect implementation of the public trust while decrying others as binary thinkers when they seek less perfect implementations. TUGPOOT semantics, if you will.

This is a deceptive and inflammatory straw man argument, since I never "demanded the perfect implementation of the public trust".


Strawman only to a simp. The logical consequence of your subjective statement in an earlier post ("There is no public trust.") ... when many institutions are, in fact, held in theoretical public trust (while being abused) ... is that you are demanding the perfect unabused practice of the public trust, e.g. in order for that public trust to be recognized as such. Moreover, because you perceive no public trust in our current system where public institutions are entrusted to individuals ... that necessarily means that you believe that all public institutions so entrusted are being abused and cannot ever be trusted to be immune to abuse. Ergo, you are arguing for the perfect implementation of the public trust, e.g. where there is no abuse.

To wit, the logical consequence of your statement stands on its own ... while you keep morrisdancing around it. You really don't belong in intellectual circles, Chico. Not your fault. Mea culpa. If i hadn't overestimated your ability not so long ago - when I referred to you as having a huge brain - I wouldn't be saddled now with expectation ... and consequently, disappointed time and again with your mental output.


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Free clue: one of the functions of the Federal Reserve is to issue new notes, e.g. tokens.

You are definitely uninformed here. That's why the Department of Treasury was originally created.

"The Treasury prints and mints all paper currency and coins in circulation through the Bureau of Engraving and Printing and the United States Mint." -- source


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System

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Current functions of the Federal Reserve System include:[12][25]

To address the problem of banking panics
To serve as the central bank for the United States
To strike a balance between private interests of banks and the centralized responsibility of government
To supervise and regulate banking institutions
To protect the credit rights of consumers
To manage the nation's money supply through monetary policy to achieve the sometimes-conflicting goals of
maximum employment
stable prices, including prevention of either inflation or deflation[26]
moderate long-term interest rates
end


Semantics slime slitherer Chico is at it again. Issuance of money need not be the same as the physical printing of the money. Who issues the money, Chico ... the Federal Reserve or the Treasury? Who gives the issuance orders ... the Fed or the Trez? Who prints the money after receiving issuance orders ... the Fed or the Trez? To wit, who controls the issuance of money?

Here's a primer:
http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/FRS-myth.htm#hd7

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The economy principally employs two methods of engaging in transactions. One is cash. The other consists of debiting accounts. Banks are central to both methods.

In the case of cash, banks stand as a source of cash for customers. The Federal Reserve, in turn, is the source of cash for banks. Paper currency is printed in the Treasury Department's Bureau of Printing and Engraving. It is then "sold" to the Federal Reserve Banks at the printing cost, roughly 3 to 4 cents per note, regardless of denomination. Banks keep accounts with the Fed, and when they require cash for their customers, they buy it at face value, having their accounts debited. In the process. In the process, the Federal Reserve profits by the difference between the printing cost and the face value (less the costs of the operation).

But most transactions are not conducted with cash. In most cases, members of the public maintain accounts at depository institutions and pay by authorizing a transfer from their account to the account of whomever they are paying. Many of these authorizations occur by means of check. Many others are effected by means of various electronic transfers. In every case, one account is debited, and another credited, completing the transaction.

Since many institutions are involved, a clearing mechanism must exist to make these transfers across the different banks. In addition -- because for any bank on any day, debits and credits do not equal each other -- it is necessary to maintain balances to handle the net difference. The Federal Reserve acts as the clearinghouse of most of these transfers. It, therefore, is the bankers' bank, and holds balances of its members. These clearing balances are supplemented by required balances ("required reserves') mandated by law. Banks do not earn interest on the balances at the Fed, so that the Fed makes a profit from them in the same way it makes a profit from issuing currency.

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Free solution: take the issuance power away from private interests and give it to a public trust.

Been there, done that (twice). It didn't work. Well done, Einstein.


An unfocused pursuit is tantamount to a wild goose chase ...is there a specific point to be made by the above link?


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Free ad hominem: you're such a numNutz, TUGPOOT.

"A flamer is one who contributes nothing but uninformative ad hominem bickering." -- source


I did warn that my offer of the ad hominem was free. If you don't like it, dump it.

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Moreover, because you perceive no public trust in our current system where public institutions are entrusted to individuals ... that necessarily means that you believe that all public institutions so entrusted are being abused and cannot ever be trusted to be immune to abuse.

"Necessarily" only for those that can only think in extremes, i.e. simpletons limited to binary thinking.

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You really don't belong in intellectual circles, Chico. Not your fault. Mea culpa.

Obviously, by your binary reasoning, you are in the wrong "circle". Why are you still here?

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Issuance of money need not be the same as the physical printing of the money.

The private bankers, via the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, criminally usurped the issuance of the money from the Treasury Department. There was no need for a central bank at that time, or at any time, as the Treasury could issue money just fine.

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An unfocused pursuit is tantamount to a wild goose chase ...is there a specific point to be made by the above link?

Yes, UncleSimpleton. (Can I shorten it to UncleSimp? It has a nice ring.) Twice before the public trust had the power of controlling the money after the national central bank had been shut down, and twice the private bankers were able to regain control of the money using their monetary influence.

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I did warn that my offer of the ad hominem was free. If you don't like it, dump it.

It stands as evidence for your continuous flaming, which is part of your continuous gatekeeping activities. You try to make Nexus hierarchy look good, you try to make GM foods look good, and you try to make the Federal Reserve look good. You try to make United People look bad, you try to make GMWatch look bad, and you try to make the United States Constitution look bad. Keep going so I can continue to document your gatekeeping agenda and expose you for the con-artist you are.

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