Your going to have to do better than this to remove your "Forum Idiot" status Mr. UncleZook!

Are you saying that Europe grows and sells GMO's? if so can you link to something that actually proves this! I read the page you linked to and it didn't!!!

Pax futue te ipsum

You're busted, Zook.

I'm not going to waste my time on any more of your wild goose chases. I don't need to look up Bogusky. You've consistently maligned nearly every good name discussed at United People as a gatekeeper, so it is crystal clear now what your game is. Besides, Bogusky's tiny contribution is a drop in the bucket (like 1 part out of 456) compared to the known 45.6 million spent by the real bad guys. Only a gatekeeper would call that a valid argument. But, I did look him up anyway, for my own edification, and once again you have been shown to be full of BS.

Andy saw through you long before me, and you knew it, which is why you pulled out all the stops to smear Andy's name, both back-channel and in public.

You stand before us as naked as the Emperor in his new clothes.

You are so busted.

The article explicitly states that GMO's were sold in European fruit stalls (during the testing phase of public opinion). The test results do not support Andy's distortive statement that because of labeling laws in Europe, GMO's are not sold there; and because of a lack of labeling laws, that GMO foods are sold in the US.

Fiction: Europe has labeling laws ... which is why GMO's are not sold there. (Andy's distortion)

Fact: GMO's are beginning to be phased in,in a Europe that has labeling laws (with labeling experiments showing benefit for GMOs).


C'mon, Chico ... defend the indefensible in Andy.

He lied about GMO's not being sold in Europe due to labeling laws (his original unambiguous statement). They are generally banned in Europe, yes, but not due to labeling laws. Get it? Or are you that obtuse?

He continues spinning his web of deceit even after the original lie had been exposed ... by attempting to shift discussion to the place of cultivation of GMO's (which had nothing to do with the original point). In short, Andy tried to distort facts in his comparison of the US approach to labeling laws versus the European approach. Americans actively consume GMO's. Europeans don't. Apples and oranges.

http://naturalsociety.com/americans-con ... -annually/

How much of Andy's deception are you willing to tolerate, Chico? Your own integrity is at stake (or at least what's left of it after all these months of me chopping it down).

Pax Towering Banana Idiot and Cowering Sidekick Intellectual

Another one of Mr. UncleZooks little gems that needs to be documented in its unedited form for prosperity!

I love watching your tactics, Zook. You're pulling a Bill Clinton here, trying to shift blame onto someone else (Andy), completely ignoring the charges against you, and gaming the situation when it's clearly "game over". All that's left for you to do is to argue what the meaning of the word "is" is.

You are so busted.

Who needs 3.3 million uncounted votes on Proposition 37 when you've got the Associated Press in your corner? The AP just tells everyone it's defeated, and the public laps it up like warm milk. Works for forums, too! If you don't believe it, see Zook's posts where he labels anyone he wants a gatekeeper and is certain he can get away with it.

So what part of "Act of law" do you fail to understand you Idiot?

Regulation (EC) No 1830/2003

Regulation (EC) No 1137/2008

The successive amendments and corrections to Regulation (EC) No 1830/2003 have been incorporated into the original text. This consolidated version PDF is of documentary value only.

Your attack on Proposition 37 is a clear "tell" about who you really are. Chico's correct, you're a gatekeeper!

Get it? Or are you that obtuse?

Pax futue te ipsum

Anyone can be turned to the dark side and become a gatekeeper, but the PTB especially prefer to hire vocal and known celebrities. In the forum world, this could be someone like UncleZook, who is careful to maintain a presence in as many forums as he can, so he can strut around like a peacock, flaunting his fancy display of discernment plumage to the dazzled crowd. In the mainstream media, it could be someone like the popular Dr. Oz, who made a name for himself via the Oprah show. Now that his star is established, Dr. Oz can practice his gatekeeping more publicly, which of course is the whole idea. That is, after all, what the PTB are paying for. Right, Zook?

Here is evidence of more infiltration into the anti-GMO movement. Those people pushing the GMO agenda use every underhanded and sneaky means they can think of to deceive and manipulate the masses. Those masses just happen to be the targeted consumers of their poisonous products. We've seen this many times before, with cigarettes and fluoridated water being prime examples.

We've got some very, very bad people in positions of power and control on this planet.

Thank you, Chico!

I've been totally vindicated in my argument that Prop 37 is nothing more than controlled opposition; that the GMO establishment promotes both sides of the debate as a means of making GMO-foods a legitimate part of the public discourse.

http://farmwars.info/?p=9610

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I first became suspicious of the man behind JLI, Gary Hirshberg, CEO of Stoneyfield, when I heard him in a radio interview say, “The national efforts [to label GMOs] ultimately will trump these state ones.” This was in July, 2012 when the California State Labeling Initiative, Prop 37, was really picking up steam.
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From the above excerpt, it is clear that Just Label It is supposed to be a national amplification of the state movement in California better known as Prop 37 ... and if you were a betting man, you can bet Hirshberg had his grubby hands all over Prop 37 as well.

No doubt, you were trying to argue that the national movement and the state movement(s) are at loggerheads with each other. But it is clear to me that Hirshberg is emphasizing the strength of the ongoing national movement, which he claims will trump the popular state movement in California (e.g. surpass, not oppose).

Indeed, JLT and Hirshberg claim to have provided over a million signatures to the FDA only to have the latter recognize only 394 comments ... no great information to be had by the claim ... but it does expose the good cop JLT and the bad cop FDA working in tandem in a good cop, bad cop play.

Control both sides of the debate and you control the discourse. Not rocket science.

Pax Props and Police Plays

ps: I thank you again, Chico, for vindicating the avuncular guy.